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The phenomenon of 4 day doubling in diagnosed cases has been observed in China, Iran, Italy, Korea, and US.

Had C-19 been loose in the wild in America on Jan 1 we would have 2 to the 19 power ,(1/2 million) cases today

That is great. I am only encouraging everyone to do the same. And remember, everyone you meet on the street, or in the grocery store, or in your child's school is now an at risk individual. They could be walking around with it for two weeks and never know. You could have it and be spreading it wherever you go for two weeks and never know.

Protect yourself, protect those around you.

Experts estimate coronavirus entered Washington state sometime in mid January

Was anyone looking on Jan 1? It's hard to find something when you aren't looking.
At the current mortality rate[s] would it have triggered the radar?
The vast majority get 'common cold' symptoms.

I came down with 'something' on Dec 26, high fever for one day and then persistent 'dry cough'[wife had same]. Dr. said not flu. Others on this site have stated basically the same in other threads.

Wuhan is a massive manufacturing region with the requisite international travel in and out daily so we really don't know for certain that no one left there carrying this bug prior to the travel ban.
I just can't make the math work[not trying to be argumentative].

Ok. Now I understand. Dean Koontz knew in 1981 a bat in Wuhan was going to give this schiett to someone. In 2020. Right.

I bet he made a killing in the stock market.

Today Italy is reporting ~350 deaths. JUST TODAY. If things do not get any better, or any worse and they hold their own for a year, that's somewhere in the neighborhood of 125,000 dead Italians in a country of sixty million total.

Before you post anymore really stupid S H I T multiply that number by five and a half and then think for just a second or two before you show the 'fire how [bleep] dumb some of it's members are.

And before any like minded idiots start in with the seasonal relationship of viruses to illness you might consider that the seasonal relationship is because we herd all our children into disease factories in September and by October production ramps up. This virus is attacking a population with zero demonstrated immunity.

Straight line thinking probably doesn't work here.

Thinking in quadratics might be more applicable:

It has to be a lie. Italy has Universal Health Care, absolutely guaranteed to provide adequate doctors, medicine, hospitals, and life everlasting for everyone.

The latest liberal propaganda, intended to spread hysteria.

If a person had an immunity, they'd never get infected.

So it's obvious that the people that catch the bug don't have any immunity to it.

Viruses change their characteristics every year, which is why the flu vaccine changes every year.

People that was immune the year before, ain't anymore.

It's the same as always.

If a population had "zero" immunity, wouldnt everyone infected die?

ie;] Severe Combined Immunodeficiency (SCID)
whereby both arms of ones immune system (innate and adaptive) are basically gone.

differing symptoms people are showing actually indicate varied degree of immune response.

Simmer down boomers.
If this is the end of the world, you can finally let go of the guilt of raising millennials.

Otherwise, always remember, no one here gets out alive.

This a new virus to humanity, we have not figured out why some folks are asymptomatic and others are hit hard with viral pneumonia, or why others have just symptoms in-between. It may be as simple as a vitamin deficiency related to our immune system or something quite a bit more complex. I do know that this virus poses a serious threat to our healthcare system until we get it figured out, none of us has ever seen a pandemic like this in our lifetime.

FWIW, China has closed all of the 16 makeshift hospitals it built to deal with the morona virus.

They were all empty.

https://www.scmp.com/photos/3074488/wuhan-close-makeshift-hospitals-covid-19-patients

From Reuters article March 13:

China has taken great offense at comments by U.S. officials accusing it of being slow to react to the virus, which was first detected in Wuhan late last year, and of not being transparent enough.

Late last year. Nov-Dec 2019.... let that sink in, just a bit

I believe the [bleep] was already here lots of people have said similar it’s being hyped up and it’s political but the truth will come out eventually

That's dumber than the first one! This is a bell curve and will continue to rise at an exponential rate until limited. That limit will be running out of victims in all likelihood because we will not have a vaccine available until a year or so from now.

This is another 99.99% B U L L S H I T post. Most of us carry varying degrees of immunity to pathogens we have been exposed to.

Some viruses change frequently. Some do not.

People that were immune to an influenza strain at some point frequently do carry immunity in some degree to mutated versions of the same strain and thus suffer much milder illness. It's why getting a flu shot EVERY year does more than just protect against those strains in in vaccine.

This is not liberal hysteria nor propaganda. It is facts.

Immunity is not an either or condition. It is a continuum. A good example is vaccines. They may wholly prevent an illness while they are still current. But... as time passes immunity wanes and how effective they are wanes as well. This is true for individuals and moreso across a population.

edited to add: This is precisely why old people whose immune systems re known to be less robust get a larger dose of flu vaccine annually. Their immunity was simply not so well assured with a standard dose of the vaccine.

No everyone would not NECESSARILY die. That is a function of their current state of health, perhaps the dosage of the pathogen, the virulence of the pathogen, whether vccine cn be administered in time. My understanding is that the corona virus 19 is not mitigated by immune response. Children are infected when exposed. There is something different happening which limits the symptoms (which are often caused by the immune system) that the children suffer from the virus infection. They appear to be infected at similar rates as adults. They appear to be clearing the infection in a similar manner and time frame as the adults. They just do so without suffering much in the way of illness

Of the cases that have been concluded (dead or fully recovered), 56.02% are recovered and 43.98% are dead

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

Then what did you mean by "This virus is attacking a population with zero demonstrated immunity"..?




Do you mean the collective immune system does not in anyway resist the bacterial or viral infection
due to C19?....So there is no innate immune response to bacteria (intracellular) pathogens, nor,
adaptive immune rersponse to viral (intercellular) pathogens?