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Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14360113 12/10/19
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In my Marlin LXR 24" Bbl 45-70. I make & use the Lyman mold 330gr HP plain base.. . Cast from straight scrap wheel weights Brn 10.5 to 11.0 hardness. I use enough IMR-4198 to drive the bullet about 1650 fps. Out of this rifle it delivers excellent accuracy ( about 1.5" ) at 100 yd with a 2.5X scope. . This bullet has shown it's ability to not only take deer cleanly , but elk also within 150yds. Will easily shoot completely thru mature muley bucks even at acute angles. . It will do this with very reasonable recoil for a 45-70. As stated absolutely no need to hot rod the 45-70. If you wish to shoot the 400 gr or heavier bullets which I don't see necessary for deer, no need to exceed 1250 fps, If you do so recoil can become brutal. Remember, , squeeze the trigger. Best to you..

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Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14459920 01/12/20
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In my 1895SBL, I've settled on 2 bullets that shoot to the same POI. One is the cast performance 405gr wlngc over 50grs of Varget. The other is 45grs of reloder 7 and a hornady 350gr FP. The 405gr does an even 1500fps out of my SBL. I have not chronied the 350 hornady.

Some say Varget is to slow for the 45-70, and I do get some unburned powder. However, I get very good accuracy and 1500fps and a 405gr hard cast will do anything I need it to. I have not killed any game with it yet. It's also fairly easy on the shoulder. I tried max loads just because, and the recoil in my opinion is not worth the extra FPS..

Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14464145 01/13/20
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I'm mainly a deer hunter with the occasional black bear and hog thrown in. I used the 405 REM FP and 400 Speer FP quite a bit, pushed up to about 28,000 CUP per Brian Pearces data, but settled on the 300 grain Hornady Hollowpoint at no more than Trapdoor levels. Actually about 1600fps. Expansion is much better and deer drop faster.

Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14465502 01/13/20
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Went to the Lehigh 380gr WFN copper solid at ~1500fps...for anything in lower US.


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Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14539291 02/04/20
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Got a Win 1886 (Jap) and a Marlin (Remington) in 45-70 and a 45-90 1895 (Win).

I gotta say almost any bullet will likely work. I mostly shoot ~ 400+ grain cast up to 500+ grain. I also shoot 350 grain jacketed.

That Marlin is super light. It isn’t a bench gun. But of the three that’s the one I’ve shot most. My friends don’t like to shoot that Marlin with 405 grain cast at full load.

Lyman aperture sights on 45-70 and very spendy sights for the 45-90 for BPCR shoots.

If I were to pick one bullet it would be a flat nose cast with gas check and I like ~ 400-405 grain best.


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Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: KenMi] #14549284 02/07/20
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Originally Posted by KenMi
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250 grain Barnes TSX

I'm going to try these to see how they shoot. Have you had any luck hunting with them?



Yes, they work awesome on whitetails. H4198 produces one hole groups at 100 yards out of an 1895 SBL


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Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14629718 03/04/20
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I have killed everything from whitetail to cape buffalo .405 jsp Remington fp 49.0 gr IMR 3031 in my Marlin 1895ss. Of which I stockpiled 1000 when they were still available in bulk.
My buddy shot his 458 WM into my dead cape buff just to see what difference in penetration there would be compared to my 45-70 405 load both our mushroomed bullets were in fact just under the skin on off side shoulder. No difference at all.

Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14629723 03/04/20
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With the above posted and the Remington 405 not available in shops anymore I would look hard at a 300 gr Speer as a good all around bullet pushed around 1800 fps

Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: Sevastopol] #14630050 03/04/20
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Originally Posted by Sevastopol
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250 grain Barnes TSX

I'm going to try these to see how they shoot. Have you had any luck hunting with them?

Barnes data shows 2,550 fps over Vv. n-120 and that's Marlin, not Ruger #1 load. Out of my "primitive" BPCR, it's a real killer. I can put them on a pie plate (4" groups) at 300 yds. all day long.

I've killed WT's and hogs. It blows a huge hole, even lung tissue blown out. One hog had broken ribs on the exit, rib cage looked like a broken window, with multiple fracture lines running out from the large exit hole. They don't shoot as accurate in my Marlins. The very long Badger barrel on the Browning BPCR is excellent, will group these bullets around an inch at a hundred.

The VX-3 3-9x40 CDS is set up for this round. Really not that primitive, but adheres to the primitive season rules. I'd call it "primitive on steroids"...

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Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14644254 03/08/20
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Calculator says that load starting at 2100 fps is still rocking along at 1997 at 100 yards.
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Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14645259 03/09/20
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One of the warehouses online had the Remington 405 grain JSP in bulk boxes of 500 a few years back. I bought two of them for no reason in particular and loaded some of them over 48.0 grains of IMR 3031 CCI 215 into Starline brass with a good rolled crimp accurate killers on anything I am likely to shoot at in the lower 48. Recoil is stiff but not unreasonable an well under max in a Marlin.That load and bullet has killed everything for me out of both a Marlin 1895SS and a Buffalo Classic single shot up to including a 500# black bear, caribou and several elk. Buy those bullets up if you can find some they are inexpensive.

Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14646365 03/09/20
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Remington 405 grain bullets on GB right now.


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Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14696017 03/23/20
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I used a cast Lyman GC'd 445 grain over a case full of IMR4064, Win primers.It is accurate and will drop most anything that walks on most of the continents. I was shooting it out of a Siamese Mauser.


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Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14696022 03/23/20
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I used a cast Lyman GC'd 445 grain over a case full of IMR4064, Win primers.It is accurate and will drop most anything that walks on most of the continents. I was shooting it out of a Siamese Mauser.


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Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14697385 03/23/20
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I love the bullet action of the Hornady 350 grain FN if you can launch them at 1900ft/sec or more. Hang together well yet still expand. Good balance of penetration and wound channel along with great accuracy.

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My"go-to" was the Speer 300 jacketed. It seemed to hold together better than other 300 grain bullets. They call it a hollow point but it is actually just a dimple in the nose and not a deep cavity like the Remington. I used a top end load of Re-7 under them and deer ell where they stood. Likewise performance in a 450ME.
They will come apart if you hit heavy bone so no shoulder shooting. For a rib cage shot, they are great.

Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: mitchellmountain] #14710988 03/27/20
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NEI, 480 gr., looks a lot like an elongated Keith type SWC, cast 16-1. Can't tell you what it does other than kill things dead where they stand, never recovered one....to include a head on shot at elk. Penetration was from brisket, out ham. Everything I've shot with it folded up where it stood.


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Re: Favorite 45-70 bullet for deer/Black Bear [Re: North61] #14712596 03/27/20
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Originally Posted by North61
I love the bullet action of the Hornady 350 grain FN if you can launch them at 1900ft/sec or more. Hang together well yet still expand. Good balance of penetration and wound channel along with great accuracy.


Even the standard old round nosed 350gr Hornads are tough customers, back in the day, and with a Bud that wanted MAX loads, I put together some in his 1885 Browning 45-70 with RL-7 that bumped 2400 fps, he literally blew the hell out of deer, pigs, and one or two black bears, I told him they would be fine and may even penetrate more at 2-2100 fps, no way, he said. crazy

I have 50 rounds of the flat nosed 350's loaded at 2150 fps in a 458 Win Mag for around the thickets hunting, haven't hit anything with them yet.


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I think you will see some pretty quick kills at 2150!

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Originally Posted by North61
I think you will see some pretty quick kills at 2150!


I bet so, trouble is, it's so fun to shoot, I may have to load another 50 before this fall's hunting season, it's built on a 98 Mauser action sitting in a syn stock with all metal cerakoted, it's an all weather/all game rifle.


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