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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: Ackman] #14705914 03/25/20
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Ackman: I agree on the 221 Remington Fireball cartridge "relishing" the 40 grain bullets from a Rifle length barrel.
Both of my factory stock 221 Remington Fireball Rifles prefer 40 grain bullets (accuracy wise) - one prefers the 40 grain Berger hollow-point and the other prefers the 40 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips.
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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14708396 03/26/20
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Mine shot V-max in one little hole, over Lil Gun, and I believe 3500-3600 is not hard to do.

Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14709453 03/26/20
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What barrel length do you 221 shooters recommend?


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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14709577 03/26/20
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Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
What barrel length do you 221 shooters recommend?



22”


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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14709990 03/26/20
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Mine is also a CZ 527, the 221 will make very good velocities with a 22" barrel. Mine shoots 40's and 52's equally well. But the 40's run just shy of 3500 fps, Rl7,aa1860,Lil gun and CFE Black all shoot well. But CFE black gives me the best combination of accuracy and speed. Awesome caliber, one of my absolute favorites for varmint hunting.


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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14710254 03/26/20
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I’ve been thinking of trying the CFE BLK, it looks like a good one to have on hand that I could also use in the 17hornet.


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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14710357 03/26/20
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Many thanks, gentlemen. I'll let you know how things progress.


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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14711247 03/27/20
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Very glad to see the great .221 Fireball following here on the forum. I wish that the national gun owning community felt the same way. Just another marketing foot shot by big green only bringing it out for the XP100.


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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14713676 03/27/20
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Not that it matters, but I have a 14 twist "cutback" barrel, a cheap Wilson stainless on its second action, it's about 23 inches long after being chopped on. That's a fine enough twist for 35s and 40 whatevers in 22. I'm running Blue Dot and Lil Gun in separate brass batches, either Rem factory brass or squished-down 223 culls. Crawled just right, I can watch the bullets fly to the target, which is entertaining as heck. When I downsize, the 221 will be the third to last rifle I have, second being 223 and the last, 22LR. They'll get my 1911 from my cold deads.


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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: Windfall] #14714085 03/27/20
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Originally Posted by Windfall
Very glad to see the great .221 Fireball following here on the forum. I wish that the national gun owning community felt the same way. Just another marketing foot shot by big green only bringing it out for the XP100.



Idk If any of you guys are on Facebook or not but I sent Ron Spomer a request to do a write up on the 221FB which he did and posted on his Ron Spomer Outdoors page.


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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14714490 03/27/20
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Thanks for that info. I'll check it out.


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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14716008 03/28/20
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OSU: Are you having yours rebarreled? I am a lefty so I would have to buy a CZ and get it turned in a 221 Fireball as there is nothing for leftys.

Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14716247 03/28/20
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Originally Posted by OSU_Sig
What barrel length do you 221 shooters recommend?


I had a 222 Rem 600 18.5" bbl that was a handy rifle, very mild report. My custom 221 was 22 as I recall. I would not go over. I like short rifles that have enough weight to steady, not full varmint, but a 22 cal in a # 2 or 2.5 will be plenty stiff and accurate. If you want some 'Muzzle hang/heft' go longer like 22-24" depending on how heavy a scope and stock.

Do you want a walking sporter/varminter for carrying? Had a Model 7 XCR in 243, IIRC it had a Magnum 700 contour, fluted, and 20" - it was about perfect, very handy. If you are a long limbed tall guy you might like a bit more barrel for balance.

If you like the 222, you will love the 221. Both very similar. A 222 will do around 3700 w/40s IIRC, the FB around 3600, with Lil Gun.

The 17s and 20s are surely fine rounds, flat and fast, and mild. I'd dabble but the older I get the more I like to K.I.S.S. and use standard common bore sizes for bullets, brushes, rods, etc. I came close years ago to ordering a Cooper in 221, also considered 17 MK4. The 20 Vartag is likely a very fine round, but for me, a 221 slinging 40s should cover a lot of ground. I have heard of folks using high bc bullets in 17 Rems.....but they might be a tad more 'hassle' if you will. If you are keeping things to around 300 yds and in, the 221/40 should serve you well.

Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: valad] #14717922 03/28/20
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Originally Posted by valad
OSU: Are you having yours rebarreled? I am a lefty so I would have to buy a CZ and get it turned in a 221 Fireball as there is nothing for leftys.

Yes, I'm a lefty. Mine is a 223 so I'll spin it off and put a 1-12" Twist bbl on. 22" and threaded, just for fun.


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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14717927 03/28/20
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If you look around, you'll find some decent deals on LH 527's. I found some 221FB mags on ebay, so I'm good there.
By the way, the 527 is the only stock rifle I'm aware of that has a single set trigger.

Last edited by OSU_Sig; 03/28/20. Reason: added set trigger.

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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: Ky221] #14727431 03/31/20
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Originally Posted by Ky221
Originally Posted by Dave_Skinner
I sometimes wonder if a mini-Mauser would work, like a CZ?



CZ no longer chambers the 221 in their 527. Mine would be one of the last rifles I ever part with. The 527 solves all of the issues of feeding, extraction and ejection.



KY - is the magazine for the 221 different than the 223 on the CZ? I have no experience but have considered building a 17FB on a 527.

OSU - as a fellow lefty I think your best option would be the Ruger. Magazines for those Brownings are hard to come by and if you try modifying one and it doesn't work you just gave yourself another headache.

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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: tikkanut] #14727450 03/31/20
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Originally Posted by tikkanut


only thing better than the 221 FB.........

20-Fireball (Vartarg)

https://www.accurateshooter.com/cartridge-guides/20caliber/


Word.

Although brass is a hassle.


Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14728060 03/31/20
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BB- here’s a pic of my 221 mag next to my 17 rem mag. The 221 mag is a bit shorter, and has a block in the rear. However. My 221 mag slides and locks into my 17rem mag well with no issues whatsoever.

[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]


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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14728189 03/31/20
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I tested a 221 Fireball mag in my 527 chambered in 223 Rem. It fit just fine.


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Re: 221 Fireball questions [Re: OSU_Sig] #14728469 03/31/20
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I've been avoiding this thread...

I DON'T need a CZ 527, NOR do I need a Fireball....

I DON'T need a CZ 527, NOR do I need a Fireball....

I DON'T need a CZ 527, NOR do I need a Fireball....

I DON'T need a CZ 527, NOR do I need a Fireball....

I DON'T need a CZ 527, NOR do I need a Fireball....



just trying to resist the temptation.....

can't have enough varmint rifles.. but also can't get enough opportunity to get out in the field to use what I have..




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