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Much appreciated Doc, and much anticipated. Getting info from the "source" that is.

Loved you numbered lists of items. Easy, even for the non-scientifically trained to absorb I hope.

First list comments:

1, 50 years of underfunding by Congress, the we taxpayers elect (in theory?) Until the American public accepts having to fund "public health" by paying taxes, that situation might not change. Perhaps this crisis will spark a change?

4. See 1. above. Funding, and in the case of education, perhaps a change in culture as to what is important, really important in education. A return perhaps to the three R's along with some more emphasis on STEM?

7. Absolutely right, it sells ad time on the nightly news. I wonder what the ratings have been recently for the alphabet networks, up a bit I'd hazard a guess. However, this crisis is also being capitalized on by the non-mainstream media in attempts to get folks to go along with their viewpoints..........both side of the issue that is.

Second list comments:

Doc, gee that whole list sounds a lot like.....science, that which so many do not understand due to # 4 in your first list, as you so rightly stated.

#5 on you second list is very interesting. I wonder if these same therapies that show promise might work on the "common cold". Seems in my readings here lately, some of the controversy on use of the chloroquines is the possible damage from side effects. Apparently, at least according to one knowledgeable source here, most of those harmful effects are from long term use, not really an issue for getting over a cold faster. Maybe those therapies might work on other viruses too, even though not very similar to the Coronas?

Excellent post Doc, and quite timely too, before this place goes full "retard".

As others have said, stay safe and keep us informed when you have a chance.

Geno

kaywoodie,

see #4 on Doc's first numbered list in his post.

Wish all you want, until that issue is addressed it's not going to happen.

Geno

Don’t get me started Geno!!!!

Thanks for the post . Just a few days ago I was thinking of you and the schooling that you gave here about getting or not getting the annual flu shots.

Many of us at that time did not think it was that important . You gave us your knowledge of the early 1900`s flu.. We did not understand may of the killed were young & healthy.

I appreciate your knowledge and hearing from you. Thanks

Deleted. Dated reference.

Published 28FEB. Much has changed since then.

Oops. Sorry. I'll delete.

And, given the lag time between research, writing, submitting, review, and final publication it's likely rather dated now.

Geno

Doc,

Thx for reporting in. Keep well.

Good points.

My prayer is that what is hidden will be revealed. There is an undertow of darkness trying to squeeze us into submission. Pure evil.

Great insight, DocRocket. Appreciate your taking the time to produce an excellent piece.

I enjoyed your Africa writing more... But this piece was timely, well done and well received.

Stay safe, use your PPE's, don't get careless. Ya can't get in a hurry, gotta follow the protocols, even when you're tired and pressed.

Mass testing is the answer, so we'd know the "denominator" before we start calculating percentages. As is, the RR,
CFR and the Ro numbers are skewed because we don't have a good handle on the affected population. I liked the points you make about prevalence vs. incidence. So, until we get a better handle on the depth of the problem, we're just guessing.

I enjoyed the President scolding reporters following some very negative and loaded questions. MSM loves sensationalism as it promotes them, their power and importance. To heck with truth and balanced news. Agendas rule, unfortunately.

We ARE at war, not only with this virus but with forces than seek to conquer, dominate and control.

It is indeed a strange time, the likes of which we've never seen.

DF

Thanks for posting Doc. Nice to hear from someone knowledgeable in the middle of it who considers a lot of good points.

Regarding the numbers you listed in the quote above, do you have a link that individuals can go to check these? Not fact checking...I'd like to watch the numbers day to day.

Thanks again and take care of yourself.

I just read a long post elsewhere that says they can test for corona, but cant differentiate c19 from others. Also the antibodies are oresent in a lot of us

Given the relative newness of C-19, I really can't imagine how anyone would really think much about it to be settled science.

But my son is a PA & his fiance is an MD at U-W hospital in Milwaukee, & their comments to us more or less follow what DR has said here.

Going to be a longer haul that most want to hear about to get enough of a treatment drug(s) to the masses & for sure a very long time frame for a possible vaccine & it will likely run its course, either way it turns out, by that time.

And the economic toll of the country will be staggering.................even if were to only be the $2 trillion bail out plan.

MM

Thanks Doc,

Appreciate your thoughts.

Bb

DocRocket, Thanks so much for this thoughtful, informative write up.

A couple questions?

What, in your opinion, are the chances that it will be safe for high risk individuals, or their close family members, to go out in public by Easter?

We are all anxious to hear of a successful treatment regimen. Are we actually seeing positive results yet from such treatments beyond the initial reports we heard a week or so ago?

And thanks so much for the last two paragraphs. Especially the last. That is so important for the public to understand.

Thank you for your service on the front lines of this battle. I am sure the worst is yet to come for your location. Good luck, and stay safe.

Many thanks, Doc.

Paul

Actually everything he said is holding true.
The death rate is much lower than what is being reported since not everyone is being tested.

Thank you sir for taking the time to post that. Excellent info

Your report was much needed, many thanks and please update as pertinent information becomes available.

Thanks for your service on the front lines of this pandemic.