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I would not want to get one because it would have a recall on it. +!
Sorry,I drank the Sako-Aid.My opinion may be biased.
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I would not want to get one because it would have a recall on it. +! If it had any LED lights, no doubt one or more would be not working right from the box, lol
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Why did it take so much pressure for GM to get IN the game ?
More UNimpressive to me.
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I'd rather die in a BAD gunfight than a GOOD nursing home.
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Doesn't matter. The ventilator tranny will crap out right after the warranty expires. No thats pretty funny!
Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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Elon Musk has a car factory in China. They were probably already making ventilators, so he got some from his Chinese company while his American factory retools to make them. Tesla already has the most efficient heat pump (to heat and cool their cars) ever made that does not need strip heat in winter. Converting these to ventilator manufacturing shouldn't be too hard. Also this same equipment is being used on their Dragon space capsule that will be used to take astronauts to the ISS in May. General Motor's woman CEO is a raving liberal who hates Trump so she didn't want to make ventilators without some big government subsidy. So Trump made them make the ventilators using the War Powers Act. No subsidy. Trump is also mad at them for closing down a factory in Ohio and moving to Mexico.
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So GM produced quality products in the 70's and 80's? There are many article documenting the incredible lack of quality control during that time and that is why the Japanese kicked their butts. I read that union GM auto workers, often drunk and high, would purposefully do a crappy job in assembly so the cars would be sent back so they could make OT. remember when GM took the big tax payer funded bailout under Obama and screwed its share holders?? Having to force GM to do this after taking the tax payer funded bailout is shameful. Ever heard of Delco Electronics?
They were part of GM and then got spun into Delphi.
World headquarters, Kokomo Indiana.
Delco had development and testing on site, wafer fabs (way back used to grown own crystals too).
Seriously a world class badass.
They used to do their own stamping and plastic molding too.
From module housings to packaged devices.
It aint a friggin' vehicle assembly plant.
They did FR4 stuff, radio lines, Tech 2000, side impact sensors, fuel vapor sensors, Harley and Marine EFI, GM transmission and brake controllers, ECMs and Harley Davidson controllers.
Much if it ceramic.
Was a booming place for a long while.
Excellent response. I worked with GM on a number of electronic products in the 1970-1998 era; I was very impressed with their capabilities, both intellectual and manufacturing. the people I worked with are now gone, but the capabilities are still there.
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only had one gm, 70 1/2 rally sport camaro. mopars every since.
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In WW2, it took GM about a year to start producing FM1 Wildcats and TBM Avengers as the Eastern Aircraft Division of GM. Eastern eventually built more Avengers than Grumman did., GM also owned Allison, the engine maker for PT boats, and the P-38s, P-39s, P-40s, and P51s.
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only had one gm, 70 1/2 rally sport camaro. mopars every since. My cousin bought a 70 1/2 Z28 when they came out. Hell of a car. That LT1 was pretty strong.
Conduct is the best proof of character.
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No worries, they will offer an extended warranty. That's where they really make their money. 'There's something wrong with that ventilator.' 'Yeah, there's a dead guy in it.'
Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense.
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Electronics manufacture, you can run some pretty wicked tests. hell of a screening process.
IIRC 95+% of the stuff that came back for check was found to be fine.
Car came in with an issue, dealers made silly money off shotgun approach (just swap a few parts all at once).
Testing, isn't just pass/fail. They look for issues that could come up later. Pretty fine toothed comb.
When stuff was bad, and caught in house............usually it was a supplier part or equipment issue that F'd em.
Delco used to have a team of engineers that went to suppliers and helped them get their acts together.
Caught a few that lied about their processes and testing too. Sunsabitches.
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Electronics manufacture, you can run some pretty wicked tests. hell of a screening process.
IIRC 95+% of the stuff that came back for check was found to be fine.
Car came in with an issue, dealers made silly money off shotgun approach (just swap a few parts all at once).
Testing, isn't just pass/fail. They look for issues that could come up later. Pretty fine toothed comb.
When stuff was bad, and caught in house............usually it was a supplier part or equipment issue that F'd em.
Delco used to have a team of engineers that went to suppliers and helped them get their acts together.
Caught a few that lied about their processes and testing too. Sunsabitches. This doesn't explain why GM can't make a passenger window switch for a P/U truck that lasts more than 23 months.
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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I never worked at an auto assembly plant.
Just electronics.
Nobody I knew Fd up product on purpose.
A few rednecks might kill a machine to stop production, to force weekend overtime.
Production output, no damage to product. Nobody wanted junk out.
They had a suggestion system, that if you helped quality or production, you could make extra.
Can't remember if max payout per suggestion was 10K or 20K.
Of course sometime later they reduced the payout amounts and eventually changed the whole suggestion system.
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Electronics manufacture, you can run some pretty wicked tests. hell of a screening process.
IIRC 95+% of the stuff that came back for check was found to be fine.
Car came in with an issue, dealers made silly money off shotgun approach (just swap a few parts all at once).
Testing, isn't just pass/fail. They look for issues that could come up later. Pretty fine toothed comb.
When stuff was bad, and caught in house............usually it was a supplier part or equipment issue that F'd em.
Delco used to have a team of engineers that went to suppliers and helped them get their acts together.
Caught a few that lied about their processes and testing too. Sunsabitches. This doesn't explain why GM can't make a passenger window switch for a P/U truck that lasts more than 23 months. Ummmm, GM doesn't make the switch. They probably don't even design it.
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Or a transmission that doesn't crap out after 30000 miles Electronics manufacture, you can run some pretty wicked tests. hell of a screening process.
IIRC 95+% of the stuff that came back for check was found to be fine.
Car came in with an issue, dealers made silly money off shotgun approach (just swap a few parts all at once).
Testing, isn't just pass/fail. They look for issues that could come up later. Pretty fine toothed comb.
When stuff was bad, and caught in house............usually it was a supplier part or equipment issue that F'd em.
Delco used to have a team of engineers that went to suppliers and helped them get their acts together.
Caught a few that lied about their processes and testing too. Sunsabitches. This doesn't explain why GM can't make a passenger window switch for a P/U truck that lasts more than 23 months.
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Ummmm, GM doesn't make the switch. They probably don't even design it.
Oh boy...
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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Also, if somebody screwed up it wasn't taken lightly.
Saw people fired (and no they didn't come back).
As for the fuggups that were returned to work, gotta understand that wasn't for free.
It costs the reg membership to get back a loser. And they knew it.
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