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Yes. Go in. Small caps.

All viruses get beat eventually. I expect to see optimism coming back.

REIT's lining up at the trough, hoping the next series of bailout dollars covers the mortgage crash that's coming.

Not with at 10' pole for this guy.

I would be all in on IDXX. But that is horrible advice so I would say to put $5K into three Fidelity or Vanguard no-load mutual funds. Pick a Large Cap, Medium or Small Cap, and a REIT. Will leave you pretty well positioned. You could divided the money by four and add a fund like Fidelity Select Health Care.

If you want to get an easy and free feel for things PM me your cell number and I'll send you a link for a Robinhood acct. They'll give us each a free stock if you sign up. You can transfer some money from your bank to them really easy and start doing some small free trades. The trades go through fast and it's easy. You can start with just a little and get the feel.

I had some money in Ed Jones and wanted to start buying some good dividend stocks to hold long term. Made my first purchase of a stock, I have always done funds, a few weeks ago and the commissions were crazy high. Especially when you can do it free at many other places. I wanted to hold long term but already sold my stock, another huge fee, just the other day. Made some money and ran.

I asked Ed jones yesterday to pull half of what I have in cash and send it to me so I can start a Schwab or Fidelity account next week. They both have free trades. I think this is going to get worse. I might buy more at the next big drop and may sell again if it bounces. I'm more nervous long term the longer people have to stay home. I want free trades I can do myself. My broker talked me out of buying $20000 in Boeing a few weeks ago at $90. He did point me to shell though and I did well there.

There's lots of free info and stock ratings out there but it's all a gamble right now. Don't invest what you cant afford to lose. Start a hundred bucks or two on Robinhood to get a feel and see if you want to go down this rabbit hole. If things get really bad the guys that are out of debt and have a little cash are going to have lots of opportunities. Keep some powder dry. If it comes back quick these next few weeks maybe a once in a decade or more buy opportunity. Stick with big well established historical companies and you should be ok longterm.

Bb

Agreed 100%.

Private Label and Angel soft, toilet paper stocks, Jack Daniels stock and Bell Helicopter.

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I have XOM and right now and according to my money guy the dividend at this price is almost 12%.

kwg

the stock market is stupid, I have yet to met anyone who has built a serious fortune purely with stock market investing. what is a serious fortune, assets that produce in excess of $20k per month passive or more with little tax burden. I know someone who took a company public. they made 3 million, 10 million and lost 1 million in the previous 3 years. They had a rented office, some inventory that was built from factories in china, and some office furniture. guess what investors valued the company at $500 million in the IPO. $23/share. 4 years later the stock was trading at $4/share. who made money.THE PEOPLE WHO WERE INSIDERS AND BOUGHT INTO THE COMPANY AHEAD OF TIME. those are the people that make money in the stock market. so you wanna invest in the stock market, Do you know the companies financials? do you know the management team? do you understand their plan for growth? How about their marketing strategy? Will they pay the CEO and board members lavish bonuses and give them stock options? I say if you know all that you might as well be the CEO of the company.

buying for appreciation is gambling. you are betting the value will go up after a certain time, you are betting there will be greater demand for your portion of ownership after you buy. you are betting you are timing it right and the value is going up. that is gambeling. Invest for cash flow! don't invest for appreciation.

You haven't met the right people

The Stock market helps get people to the millionaire club . Cum cowboy doesn’t know many people.

are you in the millionaire's club? and since you are educate me on how you used stocks to do so.

you guys mouthing off and running your mouths without knowing what the heck you are talking about because you or someone you know has 120k in a 401k. if you knew what you are talking about you would say, invest THIS way, and this is what I would do. successful people love to tell people how they got there generally. They don't instead mock the messanger and have nothing to add productively. Go ahead ignore all those questions I asked about knowledge of the company first before you give them your money.

for the people that actually want to learn, and actually still want to monkey in the markets read this. you will learn what works and what doesn't by real people who actually make money in stocks, You will also learn why your average investor doesn't make near the money they think they will in the stock markets. Lastly I would say this, they cook the numbers on gains in the stock market, how? lets say the market or fund loses 15% so for every $100 you have $85, The problem is it takes an 18% increase just to get back to where you started, however if you average a -15% and a +18% you come up with a positive number, still but yet the actual money you have isn't positive. If the markets lose greater amounts it takes even greater returns to get back to break even. yet the average rates of return make it look rosy. oh the book!!!! read it. https://www.amazon.com/MONEY-Master-Game-Financial-Freedom/dp/1476757860

Uhhh, you are immediately disqualified to participate in this discussion.

Thank you 😆👌

how much have you made in the stock market and still have? my accountant who sees over 400 tax returns in a year, I asked him who he knows that has made a fortune in the stock market investing. He said only insiders make money, I am only talking substantial money, anyone might be able to make a little.

how many people do you know that have made and created $20k /month passive income from stock market investing? tell me how many. If I am so unqualified. BTW you have no idea who I am, you have no idea my financial status. pretty interesting blanket statement with nothing to back up what you have done to prove me wrong.

its just like SWFA scopes, they are the greatest and nothing is ever bad because its their purchase decision. I think this is the same way. most people invest in stocks with their 401k's and think what they did is the most awesome. buying for appreciation is gambling. I buy for cash flow, if you buy for cash flow the value isn't important. learn something dic weed.

No, the stock market is not just like SWFA scopes.

An accountant is not necessarily the best person to be asking how to get wealthy. Have you talked to a competent financial advisor?

Relax. Don't channel your inner Elkhumper91.

Your statement was simply, " I have yet to met anyone who has built a serious fortune purely with stock market investing"

I don't know the reality you live in. If no one you have ever known has never been successful in the stock market, I am sorry.

But for me personally, I have a dozen elders and siblings in my family who have done just that: Highway Patrolmen (x3), 2 DR's, 4 nurses, mining execs, etc who have made an above average wage, and parlayed that in the market into substantial wealth.

My wife and I included.

Duck, first of all I am not qualified to give investing advice. I am not a fiduciary nor professional/licensed adviser. However, I do have an opinion. Both EPR and RLJ-A were victims of a black swan event . . . namely the coronavirus panic and the shelter in place edict. The resultant steep and fast drop in market price was due to that, and that alone. EPR is an "experiential" triple net lease REIT, flush with a billion dollars in cash. They own properties like theaters, ski resorts, amusement parks, Top Golf, and other pieces of property that draws the millenials for an "experience." Obviously with the shelter in place, social distancing rules now in effect, potential customers are afraid to visit these type of locations. As soon as this panic is over and we return to business, the price of EPR should also return to normal, around $80. (see the 1-year chart below.) I didn't get in at the bottom on EPR, but I did buy in at $20, and I am already up 22% on capital gains, and locking in a magnificent dividend.




RLJ-A is a Hotel REIT, but it is a unique preferred share, with a PAR value of $25. It cannot be called and I was able to get in at $15.45 and have an unrealized capital gain of 21%. Again I didn't get in at the bottom, but I expect a relative steep recovery once the corona panic subsides. This one is locking in a fat 10.41% dividend, which cannot be called. Preferreds are safer than common shares. Take a look at this one year chart and you can see this has been trading at PAR or above for the past year, until the black swan event.





I think both of these are on the safer, more conservative side and no brainers. I can't think of a better way to get some capital gains, while locking in fat juicy dividend yields for the long haul. These are sort of buy it and forget it type investments. They are not for traders. They are for buy and hold investors looking for income producing stocks. If one is not willing to hold for two or three years minimum, I would not recommend buying. This is a sort of turtle and hare investment, and we are placing our money on the turtle.

Companies that manufacture body bags. Ziplock is retooling as we type.

Thanks Okie for the detailed response, I really appreciate it. This is really insightful!

Other than oil (which I long and short pretty successfully for reasons I wont go into here) , I am mostly a boring, company 401K conservative buy and hold guy. I always appreciate your perspective.