Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire really interested in seeing how these church gatherings play out

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This is a copy and paste from the CDC website. Appears it's in the constitution.



Federal Law

The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.

The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
CDC’s Role

Under 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71, CDC is authorized to detain, medically examine, and release persons arriving into the United States and traveling between states who are suspected of carrying these communicable diseases.

As part of its federal authority, CDC routinely monitors persons arriving at U.S. land border crossings and passengers and crew arriving at U.S. ports of entry for signs or symptoms of communicable diseases.

When alerted about an ill passenger or crew member by the pilot of a plane or captain of a ship, CDC may detain passengers and crew as necessary to investigate whether the cause of the illness on board is a communicable disease.

Matthew 5:45 states
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

We're all part of a fallen world and have to live with what happens. In regard to gathering for worship. Paul Harvey used to say that self government will not work without self discipline. Our church is not assembling as normal. I miss church very much and seeing my friends but for now we are being safe. We have many elderly members that are as dear to me as my own family and though I don't mind the risk for me I refuse to put them in danger. I think by taking this approach we take the government's power away from them.

The question is - does your right to worship take priority over others' right to life? And why would you want it to?

I believe that is non-sequitor.

I think it's perfectly on point.

UMC has us shut down right now. I held my Cemetery Committee meeting outside last week. Everyone kept their distance, yet we had a productive meeting.

First, religion is protected by the First Amendment, just as the right to keep and bare arms is protected by the Second. But I have come to believe that all these rights are only on paper and have little doubt that before the ink dried they were being compromised and are to this day all the more. So we will see, but his case should be air tight for a dismissal.
Second, have you read any passages in Scripture about Jesus healing the sick and raising people from the dead? He also said these things and greater will the folks who will come later will do. It happens with faith in the God I know.

I'm partial to long sleeves.

Well... while I beleive in the concept of blocking large gatherings to sequester the spread of the virus....

I do beleive the exemption of this rule should apply to smaller and more repressed relgions... such as the muslum relgion....

KFWA,

In this instance, nobody make a law "respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

People and area's are being quarantined due to a deadly pathogen, and as a result public gatherings are effectively prohibited. Religion gatherings were not in any way singled out. Just as we do not allow religious child sacrifice as an exception to our laws against murder, religions does not give people the right to spread infectious disease.

I posted a recent SCOTUS precedent in another thread addressing this.

If they are locked up you can.

Parse the question and find the answer. Are we making a regulation primarily concerning public health which incidentally affects religion, no more or less than any publicly attended event? Or intended particularly to restrict the free xercise of religion?

One could try jaywalking across a 4-lane per side freeway at rush hour also, depending on "faith" to protect one's self.

Survivors? God doesn't want them anyway......

The Bible tells us to obey our authorities unless they conflict the clear word of god ( the bible ) .

God expects us to use our brain , that is why he gave us one.

To ignore health risks and expect god to protect us is way out in left field.

This where I am at... We also have a number of widows in the 80 to 90 year range, several with frail health. However, they feel strongly to be at church whenever the doors are open.

We have in the past cancelled services on marginal snow/ice days simply to NOT put the elderly members at risk of a slip, fall, broken hip. For me, same philosophy here. While we may arguably have the constitutional right to gather, it is not worth the downside risk to health and well being of our elderly members. JMO. YMMV.

It's like Big Girls and spandex yoga pants, they have the right to wear them but they really shouldn't.

Give it 18-24 months to work it's way up the courts system and there are going to be some really interesting cases arriving at the SC level about where laws that are being enforced and the first amendment come into conflict.

For the topic at hand, I don't blame the pastor, I blame his flock for being so (insert adjective of choice) to show up.

I think that ended with the demise of divine right kings.