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I’d try to find a 77mk2 or Hawkeye used in 7-08 or .308 When I hear all around...I think 7-08 or 308 Nothing you can’t do with either...easy to find ammo for or load for and little recoil which promotes marksmanship and practice. Modern day versions of 7x57 and 30-06 Not that there’s anything wrong with the 7x57 or 06 
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Trying to give good advice to a 24 year old newer hunter who needs to by his first hunting rifle. He wants to be able to use it for elk & seems OK with a little recoil.
He wants to spend as little as possible to get a decent rifle. Told him 7mm or 300 are good choices for elk at 300+ yards.
So under $500 gets
Weatherby Vanguard
TC compass
Ruger American
Tikka T3x
Browning AB3
Howa
Mauser M18
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He planning to buy rings glass after rifle - thought Burris FF2, Meopta, Zeiss
Am I missing something?
Thanks Budget rifle: a used but clean Vanguard, Howa or Tikka in 7-08 or, if he doesn't reload, 6.5 Creed. For the scope: Burris FF2 or, for just a bit more jingle, SWFA fixed 6. Clean used copies of those can be picked up with a shopping too.
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I agree with the 6.5 Over 7/08 if he don’t re load and as a newb the recoil and more trigger time will pay off big.
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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Easy, 270 Win in a Weatherby VG2 or Tikka T3 unless there's still a Ruger 77 to be had?
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That's a good deal offered on the M77, but I can't imagine starting someone out on a 300 Win Mag. I agree with the 270, 30-06, 7mm-08 recommendations.
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I’ve seen elk kilt with a 7mm-08, out past 400 yards. A couple of bigguns, too.
Find a used stainless T3, put a Limbsaver on it.
I know whereof I speak.
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I agree, a 300 mag isn't a good starter IMO.
30-06 at most.
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But make sure you let him pick, that way he owns the choice.
He’ll feel better about it if’n he owns it.
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270 win, 30-06, 7-08, or 308 win would be my recommendations. This. Ammo will cost far more than the rifle over the long haul. I'd go 30-06 and not look back. For glass, get a used fixed 4x or a Burris FFII 3-9 with a ballistic plex. But there is one MASSIVE problem with this setup: he'll never be able to justify another rifle without becoming a complete loony. Which, with you steering the boat, is a real possibility. Okie John
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Lots of good advice. For a new hunter, I'd definitely stay away from any magnum round.
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Tikka T3 / 270 Win / Burris 3-9x40 w/dots / Talley Lwts / Butler Creek Mtn. Sling (or 308. 7-08, 6.5 CM).
Can't see any wisdom starting a young guy with a 300 or 7mm Mag as an only rifle... those are something you get "in addition" to a standard chambering like the 270 when you've mastered it. I’d agree with that. Why teach him the art of flinch when he’s just starting? 30-06, 270, 308, will all do just fine. Today’s bullets do very well in these cartridges. No need for a 300 magnum.
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So the overwhelming sentiment is lighter recoil is better. But he just killed a Turkey Saturday using a lightweight 12 ga shooting 3” magnum turkey loads. The recoil on that exceeds a 375H&H and hovers somewhere around 416 Remington that would be a good choice for elephant.
I realize 8-14 year olds need to be eased into higher recoiling firearms to avoid losing that love of shooting or developing a flinch.
Many if not all of the replies are from folks who own several rifles and assume that works best for everyone. That a really effective elk caliber is best purchased as a 2nd or 3rd rifle. I killed my first deer with a 30-30 like many kids when I weighed in at 125 lbs so I’m a product of that same advice.
When he asked me for one rifle for everything I actually believe that is what he wants since hunting isn’t his only hobby. In my opinion that do everything rifle is a 7mm or 300 of some flavor. But I’ll let him shoot 243, 6,5, 30-06, 7mm RM & a 300 Weatherby & let him choose where his comfort zone is.
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What will 7mm Mag do that .270 Win or .30-06 won't in the hunting fields?
If he's that tight on cash, it's also worth considering that 7mm Mag and .300 Win Mag factory loads are almost always quite a bit pricier than the same make/type of ammo in .270, .30-06, or .308. Mo practice = Mo Better
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Ruger American in 30-06 has my vote.
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So the overwhelming sentiment is lighter recoil is better. But he just killed a Turkey Saturday using a lightweight 12 ga shooting 3” magnum turkey loads. The recoil on that exceeds a 375H&H and hovers somewhere around 416 Remington that would be a good choice for elephant.
I realize 8-14 year olds need to be eased into higher recoiling firearms to avoid losing that love of shooting or developing a flinch.
Many if not all of the replies are from folks who own several rifles and assume that works best for everyone. That a really effective elk caliber is best purchased as a 2nd or 3rd rifle. I killed my first deer with a 30-30 like many kids when I weighed in at 125 lbs so I’m a product of that same advice.
When he asked me for one rifle for everything I actually believe that is what he wants since hunting isn’t his only hobby. In my opinion that do everything rifle is a 7mm or 300 of some flavor. But I’ll let him shoot 243, 6,5, 30-06, 7mm RM & a 300 Weatherby & let him choose where his comfort zone is. Good, let him pick. I’ve killed a few elk, using cartridges from 7mm-08 through the magnums, up to .300 Weatherby Mag. That one will kick your dick in the dirt, I can tell you. None of the elk would have died any different if they’d been shot with the -08, but if he wants more I say let him choose. P
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IMO, it's not just recoil.... 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag, 7-08, 280, whatever...
Look at ammo choices, availability and prices. Smart is 270, 30-06, maybe 308.
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So the overwhelming sentiment is lighter recoil is better. But he just killed a Turkey Saturday using a lightweight 12 ga shooting 3” magnum turkey loads. The recoil on that exceeds a 375H&H and hovers somewhere around 416 Remington that would be a good choice for elephant.
I realize 8-14 year olds need to be eased into higher recoiling firearms to avoid losing that love of shooting or developing a flinch.
Many if not all of the replies are from folks who own several rifles and assume that works best for everyone. That a really effective elk caliber is best purchased as a 2nd or 3rd rifle. I killed my first deer with a 30-30 like many kids when I weighed in at 125 lbs so I’m a product of that same advice.
When he asked me for one rifle for everything I actually believe that is what he wants since hunting isn’t his only hobby. In my opinion that do everything rifle is a 7mm or 300 of some flavor. But I’ll let him shoot 243, 6,5, 30-06, 7mm RM & a 300 Weatherby & let him choose where his comfort zone is. Your first paragraph about the 12ga shotgun proves you just dong get it. To become PROFICIENT with a rifle, you need to shoot it quite a bit. Theres a reason they call that shotgun a "scatter" gun. Ill bet he isnt sitting at the bench shooting groups with that 12 gauge. Ill bet he isnt practicing prone, or off the pack or even sitting with that shotgun, like most of us do with a rifle. I guarantee hes not going to become PROFICIENT with a 300wm either, because that takes a lot of trigger time and focus on form and proper fundamentals. So, when you compare a 12 gauge to a rifle, that is like comparing apples to oranges. With a shotgun, you can flinch and still hit your target, with a rifle, not so much... Also your sentence in reference to the "really effective elk calibers", is laughable. There are plenty of guys here that have shot elk with 270's and 7mm08's to know that there are many "calibers" that are "really effective" on elk. Effective elk cartridges dont start and end with "magnum" in the name.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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There isn’t an elk alive that can’t be killed by a 30-30 through the lungs. Back when my eyesight matched irons well I could use my old 30-30 to hit an elk vital size target at 400 yards 3 times in a row any not too windy day. That doesn’t make the 30-30 a 400 yard elk gun.
Use whatever you like on elk, the 30-06 with150 grain good bullet is to me the starting point of effective on elk if you think a 3-400 yard death run might take that animal out of your recovery area. I’ve seen a decent bull shot through both lungs with 180 grain Barnes a broken off side shoulder walk over 100 yards toward the private boundary before I finally stopped him. That was a from a 300 win Mag used by a good shooting active duty marine at 330 yards. They are often tough to kill and too tasty to let get away.
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Well, I really dont see what all the fuss is about and I see no problem at all in starting out a full grown man that his balls have dropped and everything with a .300 Win if that is what he wants...... As for recoil the .300 Win is mild compared to the kick of an H&R single shot 12 ga shooting a 2 1/8 oz 3.5" shell, or even the recoil of a Mossberg 835 3.5" 12ga which i have shot many times in one session patterning different loads, I dont feel its any big deal, Let the man decide for himself....Good hunting...Hb
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I’m with ya, VaHb, in that the .300 WM can be a [vulva]cat to shoot, but my caveat is that it will absolutely depend on how the rifle fits the shooter.
I’ve personally encountered only one stock design that manages the .300’s recoil to my limits, and, unfortunately for me, it isn’t on a budget rifle. I’d generally rather carry a different model of rifle for most of my hunting, but I wouldn’t be able to tolerate the .300 WM in that other model.
I’m not sure the new shooter in question, can count on hitting the lottery with whichever rifle he.chooses being the best at managing recoil for his body geometry.
The best solution is obviously to get him a goodly amount of trigger time with different rifles in different chamberings prior to him making his choice. That’s a luxury for most.
Just my $.02.
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