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I don't know the builder, like wine, if it's more expensive than a regular fella can afford, I don't have a clue.

But, I bet it whacks 'em just fine.

And just in case you found a place with a 170 yard hole through the trees, you'd be ready!

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It will be interesting to see how Sweden does:

With most of Europe imposing extraordinary restrictions to slow the spread of coronavirus, Sweden has left its citizens surprisingly free. Are Swedes rolling the dice with their public health, or is everyone else overreacting?

As most of Europe clamps down in a bid to slow the spread of Covid-19, one country is bucking the trend. Sweden is taking a markedly more liberal approach to combatting the virus. Despite its closest neighbours, Denmark and Norway, shutting down all but essential services, Swedes remain free to socialise as the harsh Scandinavian winter comes to an end. Although universities and high schools have shut, pre-schools, kindergartens, bars, restaurants, ski resorts, sports clubs and hairdressers have all remained open.



Sweden says no to quarantine


So far Swedens numbers are better than the US.


They're officially only testing the "old and the sick," which means their numbers don't mean much.


Which differs in what way from how we are doing it? Hell, I know a 20 something who is sick and neither the hospital nor a doc in the box will test him. They both said "Assume you have it and stay home."


I'd agree that our numbers are under reported but they're testing even less.

They're doing a lot less across the board than anyone else is. They don't have any lockdowns and their public transportation, which moves much of their country, is very crowded with no social distancing.


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Originally Posted by luv2safari
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You guys can believe whatever you want, but I have friends and family who are docs and nurses in emergency rooms in California, Kansas and Missouri. They say it's bad. The doc in Kansas texted me yesterday and said he watched a perfectly healthy 43 year old woman die.

They all say they don't have enough personal protection equipment. A nurse friend in Missouri doesn't have ANY respirators, nor masks.

They've pointed out that if a significant percentage of the docs and nurses as sick at any given time, the death rate will go up.

I also have three (3) uncles from a tiny cotton farming community in the Texas panhandle. This community is so small it doesn't even have a stop light. All three went to a high school basketball tournament, and all three wound up on ventilators in the Amarillo ICU. Two of them are off those now, and they're trying to wean the third off, which is great news.

I think areas with a lot of population density, like NY and LA, will be hit hard, and so will chit holes like Detroit and New Orleans where there is a lot of poverty and poor education. A lot of New Yorkers are fleeing to Florida, which is full of old people (like Deflave), so I expect Florida will have a big hit.

There will also be small towns where everyone goes to one choke point - an only grocery store, or one sporting event - that have or will have huge infection rates.

100,000 dead? That's an average of 2,000 per state. If they don't have a vaccine for a year, I think that's more than possible.

Like I said, you can believe whatever you want, and you all get to place your bets now....



They're just moving The Rest of NYC on down to New Yalk South.




FL doesn't want the NYC phugks here.

Go celebrate another Chinese New Year and keep telling the chink'coms how great they are.


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
I don't know the builder, like wine, if it's more expensive than a regular fella can afford, I don't have a clue.

But, I bet it whacks 'em just fine.

And just in case you found a place with a 170 yard hole through the trees, you'd be ready!

Geno


True dat....😜😎


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This sucks...............but I'm glad this is taking more old people if someone has to go. I can not conceive the thought of 500,000 children and young adults dying.

Huh?

Are they worth more than me and my wife?

Why?

Worth more than the 60 year old physicians trying to save a bunch of sick folks right now?

Or the 75 year old Rabbi or Pastor of their church?

I'd be gladder if it was "just a bug" and wasn't killing anyone, old or young.

Geno




Part of the grieving process is what they call Bargaining. Lord, take me instead. Given a choice, I'd give myself up if it meant my sons and granddaughter would live. However, it just doesn't work that way.

In the big scheme of things, losing a bunch of old people does not hurt the population all that much. However, culturally it can be devastating. What we're talking about here is disproportionally losing a large chunk of Baby Boomers, the largest population bubble in human history. The Boomers are the ones running the country right now-- senior execs, professors, administrators, etc. We can ill afford to lose them.

In a perverse turn, it also looks like the over-60 thing might be changing as well. There are reports that the bug is mutating and some strains are able to take out younger healthy people.


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Is there a place where we can make suggestions for those who would be excellent candidates for membership in the list of the hundred to two hundred thousand?


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Originally Posted by TexasPhotog

I also have three (3) uncles from a tiny cotton farming community in the Texas panhandle. This community is so small it doesn't even have a stop light. All three went to a high school basketball tournament, and all three wound up on ventilators in the Amarillo ICU. Two of them are off those now, and they're trying to wean the third off, which is great news.


Fingers crossed for all three of them.


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Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
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You guys can believe whatever you want, but I have friends and family who are docs and nurses in emergency rooms in California, Kansas and Missouri. They say it's bad. The doc in Kansas texted me yesterday and said he watched a perfectly healthy 43 year old woman die.

They all say they don't have enough personal protection equipment. A nurse friend in Missouri doesn't have ANY respirators, nor masks.

They've pointed out that if a significant percentage of the docs and nurses as sick at any given time, the death rate will go up.

I also have three (3) uncles from a tiny cotton farming community in the Texas panhandle. This community is so small it doesn't even have a stop light. All three went to a high school basketball tournament, and all three wound up on ventilators in the Amarillo ICU. Two of them are off those now, and they're trying to wean the third off, which is great news.

I think areas with a lot of population density, like NY and LA, will be hit hard, and so will chit holes like Detroit and New Orleans where there is a lot of poverty and poor education. A lot of New Yorkers are fleeing to Florida, which is full of old people (like Deflave), so I expect Florida will have a big hit.

There will also be small towns where everyone goes to one choke point - an only grocery store, or one sporting event - that have or will have huge infection rates.

100,000 dead? That's an average of 2,000 per state. If they don't have a vaccine for a year, I think that's more than possible.

Like I said, you can believe whatever you want, and you all get to place your bets now....
..................I understand where you are coming from.....I think the major key in bending the virus curves downward for the better, is to get the now FDA approved hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin distributed ASAP to as many of the worst hot spots as possible. Imo, if that occurs rapidly, then I believe that there will not be the more dire predictions of 100K to 200K, 240K deaths........These two drugs apparently work pretty damned good in nearly 100% of the people tested....NO TIME for clinical studies or more clinical trials.


This is exactly what is needed for every case. "hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin distributed ASAP"


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Originally Posted by TexasPhotog


I also have three (3) uncles from a tiny cotton farming community in the Texas panhandle. This community is so small it doesn't even have a stop light. All three went to a high school basketball tournament, and all three wound up on ventilators in the Amarillo ICU. Two of them are off those now, and they're trying to wean the third off, which is great news.


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That is great news that your Uncles seem to have pulled through ..

I have two questions-

When did they get sick?

How old are they?

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Hospitals and their staff deal with the worst of the bad. They have a slanted view of what is happening. The vast majority of those who have contracted corona don’t need to go to the hospital


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I ain't gonna lie, I think the 100-200k scenario is complete hysterical media driven bullshit.

No data, just call it a hunch.

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So we're going to go from 3k to 250k in a matter of weeks. Riiiiight. That's dead - not infected, at a 5% mortality rate which is probably higher than it really is - how many need to become infected to create those numbers and need to do so almost immediately?

5 million new cases in the next few weeks? What do we have now and how likely are we to get to 5 million?


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As was pointed out on another thread an average of 3 million people die each year for various reasons in this country. Will there be an additional 250,000 or is the county coroner just going to check a different box in cause of death.






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Originally Posted by kingston
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A million would only be 1 out of every 330 Americans. More than that die every year and a bunch of that million would have died anyway from something. What percent of the total population is 1 million? A lot less than the almost 1% that die every year.


But these are EXTRA deaths. Like TRUMP said, this is going to be rough. If you are older than 50, the danger is probably 10 x that of folks in their 20s.

Pretty sobering to me, having been out hunting coyotes most of the day in the beautiful rain fueled spring green desert.





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This^^^^


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Originally Posted by teal
So we're going to go from 3k to 250k in a matter of weeks. Riiiiight. That's dead - not infected, at a 5% mortality rate which is probably higher than it really is - how many need to become infected to create those numbers and need to do so almost immediately?

5 million new cases in the next few weeks? What do we have now and how likely are we to get to 5 million?


No. We are going to have a rough 2 weeks until this peaks. People will be dying well past the peak for a total count of up to 240,000.


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Originally Posted by Hastings
A million would only be 1 out of every 330 Americans. More than that die every year and a bunch of that million would have died anyway from something. What percent of the total population is 1 million? A lot less than the almost 1% that die every year.


Remember that that will be in addition to the people die of "normal" stuff, not instead of.

It IS a big deal. Wait 'til one is your mom or dad, your sibling, or your kid. Or your spouse. Or you.

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WGAF?
WGAF?Certainly not Campfire members! I mean none of them are male, over 50, over weight, diabetic, A-fib, smokers or have asthma.Yes, none of those people should GAF....
I am 67 and probably weigh 15 lbs. more than I should, have a leaking aortic, and was successfully treated for A-fib 5 years ago (cardiac ablation). The way I look at it is I'm expendable if the alternative is to burn down the U.S. economic structure to a point it cripples the next generations. I have 3 adult children and 3 grandchildren to think about. I could say I've payed my way and deserve to hang around for 20 more years to hell with the cost. I've worked since I was 14 or 15 at some pretty tough occupations. My health is actually not bad as I can still spend 10 hours on a tractor, run a chain saw, or rope a cow and pull a mispresented calf. But I know I'm on the downhill and truthfully getting killed so to speak in the saddle is far preferable to 5 years in a nursing home. I would love to be around to continue to travel and keep my oldest grand daughter with me as much as her parents allow but I am not willing to grind the economy to a halt and throw trillions of debt on the country to save a few old folks like me.


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The fricking media is blowing this so far out there.
1.25 million died in Auto related accidents last year.
600k from cancer.
Your chances are better at being killed in your car.


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Its not that I don't gaf. Just tired of all the sky is falling.

WHAT can you do to stop this?

Back to the thing.. common sense. Do the best you can and we will see when its over. Thats all we can do. Although we pray and always have.

These things happen from time to time in history. So its not new, just unlucky draw so to speak.


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