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Treasury backs off requirement that Social Security recipients, others take extra step to get $1,200 checks

Michael Collins, USA TODAY
USA TODAYApril 1, 2020, 8:15 PM CDT

WASHINGTON – Facing stiff criticism, the Treasury Department abruptly changed course late Wednesday and announced that Social Security beneficiaries and other Americans who haven’t filed income taxes for the past two years won’t have to take any extra steps to receive one-time checks of up to $1,200 under a new economic recovery program.

“Social Security recipients who are not typically required to file a tax return need to take no action and will receive their payment directly to their bank account,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said in a statement.

Most Americans won’t have to do anything to receive a payment under the $2.2 trillion program designed to help the economy recover from the fallout of the coronavirus pandemic. The checks will be sent automatically within the next three weeks to eligible Americans who filed tax returns in 2018 and 2019.

But the Internal Revenue Service posted a notice on its website earlier this week saying people who typically don’t file taxes would need to file a simple tax return to receive one of the payments. That would have included low-income taxpayers, senior citizens, Social Security recipients, some veterans and individuals with disabilities who are otherwise not required to file a tax return.

Wednesday's announcement reverses that decision. Mnuchin said the IRS will now use Social Security data to generate payments to Social Security recipients who did not file tax returns in 2018 or 2019. Recipients will receive these payments as a direct deposit or by paper check, just as they would normally receive their benefits, he said.

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The Treasury Department has the authority under the economic recovery program, which President Donald Trump signed into law last week, to ask the Social Security Administration and other agencies to supply the data it needs to process the checks.

One of the reasons Treasury officials may have wanted to require a simple tax form from those who haven't paid taxes in the past two years is to make sure they are sending checks to the most up-to-date address,” said Kyle Pomerleau, an economist at the American Enterprise Institute, a public policy think tank.

“Lots of people move, so this is a reasonable way to deal with it," he said.

The downside, Pomerleau said, “is that you are shifting part of the burden on people by requiring them to do something to get their rebate.”

Who gets checks: Last-minute revision to coronavirus stimulus widened eligibility for $1,200 checks

The filing requirement raised objections from some lawmakers. Forty-one senators sent a letter Wednesday to Mnuchin arguing that the requirement would place “a significant burden” on retired seniors and people with disabilities.

“We strongly urge you to ensure that economic stimulus payments are automatically sent to vulnerable seniors and individuals who experience disabilities, without these individuals needing to file a tax return,” the letter said.

The IRS said it is setting up a web-based portal at IRS.gov/coronavirus to provide more information on how to file a 2019 tax return and receive a payment.
How your stimulus check is calculated

If you've already filed your 2019 taxes, the IRS will use those returns to determine your payment. If not, your 2018 returns will be used to calculate your check.

Individuals with an adjusted gross income of $75,000 or less will be eligible for a one-time payment of up to $1,200 ($2,400 for joint tax returns) and $500 for each qualifying child. Those with little or no tax liability also will get $1,200 ($2,400 for joint returns).

The payments will start to phase out for Americans who earn more than $75,000, or $150,000 for a joint return. The amount you receive will be decreased by 5% of the amount your income exceeds $75,000. For example, a single person with an $85,000 salary would get $700 after subtracting 5% of $10,000, or $500.

The payments will phase out completely for single filers with incomes exceeding $99,000, $136,500 for head of household filers with one child, and $198,000 for joint filers with no children.

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How will the money be provided?

Americans who already have provided the IRS with their bank account information will receive the money as a direct deposit. Those who haven’t will receive a check in the mail, although experts warn the wait for physical checks could take longer than three weeks. Those who want a direct deposit but haven’t provided their bank account information can do so through the IRS’s new online portal.

While the web portal will make it easier to provide that information and get answers to other questions, “lack of web access – or a lack of knowledge even if one has the internet – is going to be a bigger challenge for low-income individuals,” said Garrett Watson, an economist at the Tax Foundation, a Washington-based think tank. “The IRS should explore ways to get to those individuals outside of a digital platform.”

Tax preparation services – both commercial and non-profit – should be able to help individuals update their information if they don’t have web access, he said.

Meanwhile, online payment services such as Venmo have been in discussions with Treasury officials about helping to distribute the checks to consumers.

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Justin Higgs, spokesman for Venmo owner PayPal, confirmed that talks are underway but declined to provide more information.

Jodie Kelley, chief executive officer of the Electronic Transactions Association, said the industry has offered its assistance to Treasury “to quickly and securely deliver stimulus money to American consumers.”

“Electronic payments can deliver these funds far more quickly than the time it takes to print, mail and cash a check,” she said. “It's also an important delivery method for the over 14 million Americans who do not have bank accounts, and thus do not have a ready way to cash a check.”

Watson said the IRS and Treasury will need to take steps to ensure taxpayer privacy is preserved in any partnership with online payment services.






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Yeah, let's not do anything to try and reduce scamming.
As far as I'm concerned, if they receive Social Security payments and don't file tax returns, they can go through that small amount of hassle.


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Will this money really make much difference?

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Well, we want the Mexicans with their fake ss numbers to get a check too.

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Originally Posted by slumlord
Well, we want the Mexicans with their fake ss numbers to get a check too.

the IRS will now use Social Security data to generate payments to Social Security recipients who did not file tax returns in 2018 or 2019.

This is for people who are already receiving Social Security Benefits.
Do we have illegals collecting SS?
Sadly, it would not surprise if we do.


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you are shifting part of the burden on people by requiring them to do something to get their rebate.


Receipt of entitlements like Social Security typically make people lazier, so it is no surprise that there would be backlash over having to do even one minor thing that millions do every year, to receive said entitlement.

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I'd wager there are 50 million people in this 'country' with fake SS numbers.

They'll all get checks. ..otherwise it'd be RACIST.

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It would cost a hell of a lot more to do extra crap than to just issue the check. SS should be pretty sure already who they send a check to. Ed k

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Originally Posted by Stickfight
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you are shifting part of the burden on people by requiring them to do something to get their rebate.


Receipt of entitlements like Social Security typically make people lazier, so it is no surprise that there would be backlash over having to do even one minor thing that millions do every year, to receive said entitlement.



Social Security is NOT an Entitlement------------I've paid into it over 50 years.

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What about my kid who is in college and did not file?

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What about my kid who is in college and did not file?


He'll get a check.

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Everyone who votes will get a check; we must not stand in the way, and to imply otherwise is inhumane.

If ya don’t want to be called a racist bigot homophobe (plus whatever it is to oppose old people) you go along.

Sit down and shut up.

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Originally Posted by colorado bob
Social Security is NOT an Entitlement------------I've paid into it over 50 years.


Yes it is. The Social Security Administration themselves describe it that way.

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Originally Posted by colorado bob
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you are shifting part of the burden on people by requiring them to do something to get their rebate.


Receipt of entitlements like Social Security typically make people lazier, so it is no surprise that there would be backlash over having to do even one minor thing that millions do every year, to receive said entitlement.



Social Security is NOT an Entitlement------------I've paid into it over 50 years.



EXACTLY!!

Some folks can't help being stupid.

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I paid into SSA for 50 years. Retired 2 years ago and started drawing MY small portion of what I paid into SSA at that time. I have filed my taxes every year, paid my bills every month and had SSA removed from my paycheck the whole time. If .gov is going to send me an additional $1200, I hope to put it good use in our community,

SSI is an entitlement (welfare), SSA is not. Many folks have a confusion about that and need to be educated.


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Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy

Some folks can't help being stupid.


I know you boomers have deluded yourselves for years while you voted all kinds of perks that you knew your kids would be paying for, but both I and the Social Security Administration know better. You are an entitlement recipient regardless of how angry that makes you.

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Originally Posted by Otter
ISSI is an entitlement (welfare), SSA is not. Many folks have a confusion about that and need to be educated.


You should call the Social Security Administration and demand they change all of their literature.

How about this: are the actual dollars you paid in the same dollars being sent back to you?

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Originally Posted by m_stevenson
Yeah, let's not do anything to try and reduce scamming.
As far as I'm concerned, if they receive Social Security payments and don't file tax returns, they can go through that small amount of hassle.



If one has worked long enough to draw Social Security (35+ years)...and filed taxes each of those 35+ years...one has gone through MORE than that small amount of hassle.

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Originally Posted by gregintenn
What about my kid who is in college and did not file?


If I understand it correctly. dependents you claim on your taxes don't get the $1200 but you get an additional $500 for each.

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Originally Posted by Stickfight
Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy

Some folks can't help being stupid.


I know you boomers have deluded yourselves for years while you voted all kinds of perks that you knew your kids would be paying for, but both I and the Social Security Administration know better. You are an entitlement recipient regardless of how angry that makes you.



I paid into the system. It was/is the law.

Us "boomers" DID NOT vote all kinds of perks for ourselves. We live in a Republic...not a TRUE DEMOCRACY.

SSA took money out of my check each payday. They did not ask. They never missed a confiscation.

If you want to play with language...so be it. I am entitled to my SS benefits...because I EARNED THEM!

Not angry. Just not stupid.

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Self employed pay 100% of their F.I.C.A. withholdings.

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Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy
If you want to play with language...so be it.


I'm not playing with language, you idiots are. You are the ones claiming Social Security is not an entitlement program. You people lie that SSI is and SSA is not. You refuse to accept responsibility for your actions because you only voted for representatives who voted you bread and circuses and stuck us with the bill.

But both I and the SSA see you for what you are no matter how much you lie.

I'm quite happy to support you. I'd rather that than have to step over you on a sidewalk on my way to work.But I'm not going to pretend along with you.

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Originally Posted by Stickfight
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Social Security is NOT an Entitlement------------I've paid into it over 50 years.


Yes it is. The Social Security Administration themselves describe it that way.


One more example of .gov disconnect ...

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Originally Posted by Stickfight
Originally Posted by Otter
ISSI is an entitlement (welfare), SSA is not. Many folks have a confusion about that and need to be educated.


You should call the Social Security Administration and demand they change all of their literature.

How about this: are the actual dollars you paid in the same dollars being sent back to you?


It seems to me you sound angry...or maybe just frustrated? Who isn't?

First, calling the SSA will get you no where. You know that. It will take forever to get through the automated system. If you endure the wait and run-around, you might get a representative at the National Call Center. They can do nothing but read "talking points."

Second, DEMAND something from SSA over the phone??? All I can say is "don't be stupid."

Third, you ask a rhetorical question. Here is your answer. No, the money I paid into SS is not the money I am drawing. The money I paid into the Social Security Trust Fund went to pay SS benefits for those who were currently receiving SS payments.

The system was structured with the illusion of fairness.

During my working career, I paid the benefit for those already retired.

I then entrusted reciprocity to the system; in that, when I reached retirement, those currently working would pay for my benefit.

SSA is big and all encompassing. It now lives and breaths on its own. It may collapse under its own weight---but it is beyond repair in my estimation. There is not the political or social will to do much about it.

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We are being told by our accountant that the way they interpret it as written, neither of my boys 22 yrs old (in college and working 30-35 hrs a week) or 19 yrs old, currently working full time will get anything. Not even the $500, so we will see. Luckily both are still employed and working.


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Originally Posted by Stickfight
Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy
If you want to play with language...so be it.


I'm not playing with language, you idiots are. You are the ones claiming Social Security is not an entitlement program. You people lie that SSI is and SSA is not. You refuse to accept responsibility for your actions because you only voted for representatives who voted you bread and circuses and stuck us with the bill.

But both I and the SSA see you for what you are no matter how much you lie.

I'm quite happy to support you. I'd rather that than have to step over you on a sidewalk on my way to work.But I'm not going to pretend along with you.



You think too much of your own opinion. And, you seem to assign to yourself foreknowledge into the thoughts, intents, and actions of others. Then, based of that false assumption, you stereotype a large group of people. I ask you, who is pretending? Who is delusional? Who is lying - to themselves?

For the record, I never once voted for anyone - local or national - based on what they would or would not do with the SSA.

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Originally Posted by colorado bob
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you are shifting part of the burden on people by requiring them to do something to get their rebate.


Receipt of entitlements like Social Security typically make people lazier, so it is no surprise that there would be backlash over having to do even one minor thing that millions do every year, to receive said entitlement.



Social Security is NOT an Entitlement------------I've paid into it over 50 years.



Thank you sir. Been paying into it for 50 plus years also .


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Been paying into it for 50 plus years. I would like to get my share. NOT an Entitlement.

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Originally Posted by Stickfight
Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy
If you want to play with language...so be it.


I'm not playing with language, you idiots are. You are the ones claiming Social Security is not an entitlement program. You people lie that SSI is and SSA is not. You refuse to accept responsibility for your actions because you only voted for representatives who voted you bread and circuses and stuck us with the bill.

But both I and the SSA see you for what you are no matter how much you lie.

I'm quite happy to support you. I'd rather that than have to step over you on a sidewalk on my way to work.But I'm not going to pretend along with you.


The problem is in the misinterpretation of the meaning of the word, "Entitlement"...


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One of the things that some of my readers get REALLY fired up about is when Social Security is referred to as an “entitlement”.

I can understand why. After all, the term “entitlement” has taken on a demeaning definition that insinuates getting something that you haven’t earned (or even deserve).

But is it possible we are all being jerked around a little bit here by those with something to gain from fanning the flames of division?



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...What’s happened here is that they’ve effectively redefined the word entitlement into something that is divisive and dirty. How handy.



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...What does Entitlement mean?

So why do they refer to it this way and does it have a negative connotation?

If you examine the definition of the word entitlement, you’ll see there is no mention of welfare, charity or handouts.

The Merriam Webster dictionary defines it as “a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group.”

The Cambridge dictionary defines it as “something, often a benefit from the government, that you have the right to have.”

Then, in the glossary of the United States Senate, the word entitlement is defined as “a federal program or provision of law that requires payments to any person or unit that meets the eligibility criteria.”
Is Social Security an entitlement? A hand out or a right? Or, does it mean something else entirely? This word fires up a lot of people, so let's explore what entitlement actually means.

The fact is, the phrase “entitlement program” is simply a term for any government program guaranteeing certain benefits to a segment of the population who qualify for them under specific terms and conditions.

That’s exactly what Social Security is. You have to work for at least 10 years with a certain amount of earnings to be ENTITLED to your own benefit.

There’s nothing dirty, shameful or beggarly about this word.

But in the highly politicized world that we live in, what words actually mean and the meaning given to words aren’t always the same.



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entitlement noun

en·​ti·​tle·​ment | \ in-ˈtī-tᵊl-mənt , en- \
Definition of entitlement 1a : the state or condition of being entitled : right b : a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract
2 : belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges
3 : a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group also : funds supporting or distributed by such a program]


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Of course it is an entitlement you lying boomers.

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Originally Posted by joken2
The problem is in the misinterpretation of the meaning of the word, "Entitlement"..


Changing the definition of words to fit an argument is the oldest liberalist trick in the book you confused liberalist boomers. You have somehow come to believe it it doesn't mean what it means.

Don't worry, the productive among us will continue to work even as you delude yourselves, so the entitlement that lets you buy your McDonalds fried pies isn't going to dry up any time soon.

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Stickfight ask "How about this: are the actual dollars you paid in the same dollars being sent back to you?"


I would hope the hell not, the same as buying a $10,000 CD & cashing it in 40 years later. crazy


Oh, & BTW, the word "boomer" seems to be a favorite of whining assed liberals that are continuously looking for someone to blame. Does the shoe fit? frown

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Oh, & BTW, the word "boomer" seems to be a favorite of whining assed liberals that are continuously looking for someone to blame. Does the shoe fit? frown


The entitlement shoe fits the boomer perfectly, even though he pretends he isn't wearing it.

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But you didn't buy a CD, did you? You could have, but you chose an entitlement program instead. Which was the whole point behind SS from the start.

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Originally Posted by Stickfight
Of course it is an entitlement you lying boomers.



Wow! You really can't help yourself. You are insulting, condescending, and disrespectful.

You made joken2's point. Don't you, in all of your wisdom, foresight, and foreknowledge...see and know that?

I choose to think better or you. I'll put it down as "misdirected frustration."

Honestly; I hope you and your's are not negatively impacted by current events.

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Backing out Guys.

The thread has run its course. And, as typical with the Fire...ran right into the ground.

Life is to short for such nonsense.

Thank you joken2 for the original post. Good information. I had not been following the story.

I wish you all wellness, and that we all get through this with our liberties, and civilities in tact.

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I know this for sure, every year I get a statement from my employer listing the cost of my benefits for the year.

The actual cost of having me as an employee added onto the cost of my wage package includes time lost to vacation, sick leave, funeral leave, jury leave, cost of medical insurance, 401 K matching funds, and yes my employer's portion of SS payments.

To believe that any less than 13% of your pay is being deducted for Social Security is pure foolishness. Were it not going into .gov coffers our paychecks could be increased by that 6.5% the employer pays.

But us "Boomers" had no choice. That 13% has been forcibly confiscated by the government for forty five years. Who here could not have invested it to pay far better than any returns we will ever see from SS?

They have been stealing it away from me and robbing me of investment opportunities since 1974. By God, yes I am ENTITLED to get at least the small amount back allowed by current SS rules.


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Originally Posted by m_stevenson
Yeah, let's not do anything to try and reduce scamming.
As far as I'm concerned, if they receive Social Security payments and don't file tax returns, they can go through that small amount of hassle.



You obviously don't know any social security recipients living on < $1500/month.


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Originally Posted by Stickfight
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Social Security is NOT an Entitlement------------I've paid into it over 50 years.


Yes it is. The Social Security Administration themselves describe it that way.



Yeah.

I AM entitled to some of the money I paid over 57 years, money that helped your parents and grandparents while I was young and working hard.

We didn't chose paying SS taxes, you ignorant puke.


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Originally Posted by Stickfight
Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy
If you want to play with language...so be it.


I'm not playing with language, you idiots are. You are the ones claiming Social Security is not an entitlement program. You people lie that SSI is and SSA is not. You refuse to accept responsibility for your actions because you only voted for representatives who voted you bread and circuses and stuck us with the bill.

But both I and the SSA see you for what you are no matter how much you lie.

I'm quite happy to support you. I'd rather that than have to step over you on a sidewalk on my way to work.But I'm not going to pretend along with you.

Call it what you want! But don't tell people how they voted! Doing so proves ignorance. I never voted for any give away program! And wasnt around when social security started! Quit being a dick, for the sake of being a dick! GFY

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Originally Posted by local_dirt
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Yeah, let's not do anything to try and reduce scamming.
As far as I'm concerned, if they receive Social Security payments and don't file tax returns, they can go through that small amount of hassle.



You obviously don't know any social security recipients living on < $1500/month.


My mother in law. I buy her groceries, take her to appointments, pay bills, etc.

Because that’s what families do.

Gov has, whether by design or stupidity, eroded this sense of obligation with its “safety nets”. FDR was brilliant in this regard. Johnson even more so.

Over my lifetime (born 1975) I’ve observed that neither of the two parties cares one lick for making the tough choices necessary to keep our society running as the FFs intended.

Mark’s point stands; people who are in need of our grand- and great-grandchildren’s money offered so easily by the hacks in DC ought to expect to have to prove something to get it. There is nothing wrong with that.

This thread turned into a discussion of SS when it was started about the COVID19 relief bill.

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Originally Posted by luv2safari
I AM entitled to some of the money I paid over 57 years


You are entitled to a benefit because you paid in and meet the other qualifications, that is why the SSA and I and everyone else who isn't lying or ignorant call it an entitlement program.

But your money that you paid in is already spent, as you note.

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Wow! You really can't help yourself.


Yes, I remain committed to stating facts regardless of who's feeling they hurt, even entitled sniveling boomers playing pretend.

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Call it what you want


I'm calling it what it is, it is the people who say it isn't an entitlement program who are calling it what they want. If stating facts is being a dick I am a dick all day every day.

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I AM entitled to some of the money I paid over 57 years


You are entitled to a benefit because you paid in and meet the other qualifications, that is why the SSA and I and everyone else who isn't lying or ignorant call it an entitlement program.

But your money that you paid in is already spent, as you note.


Better hit the want adds for a second job I'm about to start suckling that big ole SS tittie here soon myself.


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Call it what you want


I'm calling it what it is, it is the people who say it isn't an entitlement program who are calling it what they want. If stating facts is being a dick I am a dick all day every day.

It shows you have practice being a dick. When you reach SS age dont accept yours! Ill bet you a swift kick in the ass, you take yours and spend every dime! Playing the I'm better than you card, because of anothers age is totally stupid! As far as using the word boomer, shows you are a narrow minded, bigot who thinks you age makes you better! Remember if a boomer didnt do something good, you or your parents would just have been a stain on a sheet! Now GFY again, jerk off!

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When you reach SS age dont accept yours!


Unless COVID kills off boomers here in the US like it has elsewhere SS will be insolvent long before I retire. My financial planning assumes that it won't be an income source for me.

Again, I'm just playing the Facts card by calling SS exactly what it is: an entitlement. Of course doing that brings butthurt boomers to the thread as fast as their walkers allow, 100 times out of 100. It is like a cruise ship boarding horn.

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Now your acting like most of us boomers. Most didnt think we would have SS. So we planned on living without SS. Thinking you can read the future is foolish! If you have invested in the market, gold, silver, real estate and bonds/ mutual funds, your control is minimal. You are at the whim of the billionaires! As far as using the word boomer to describe people you have no respect for, shows just how little you know! And perpetuates divide. Those that seek to divide, are usually those that believe in big central government! That equates to socialism , is that your plan for your future.

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Yeah, let's not do anything to try and reduce scamming.
As far as I'm concerned, if they receive Social Security payments and don't file tax returns, they can go through that small amount of hassle.



You obviously don't know any social security recipients living on < $1500/month.

You are jumping to conclusions if you think that.
I stand by my opinion. If you are receiving SS benefits and don't file taxes, you need to prove you are who you are and that you are entitled to those benefits.
Besides, WTF does living on $1500 a month have to do with this? Please explain in English.


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Originally Posted by m_stevenson
Yeah, let's not do anything to try and reduce scamming.
As far as I'm concerned, if they receive Social Security payments and don't file tax returns, they can go through that small amount of hassle.



You obviously don't know any social security recipients living on < $1500/month.


My mother in law. I buy her groceries, take her to appointments, pay bills, etc.

Because that’s what families do.

Gov has, whether by design or stupidity, eroded this sense of obligation with its “safety nets”. FDR was brilliant in this regard. Johnson even more so.

Over my lifetime (born 1975) I’ve observed that neither of the two parties cares one lick for making the tough choices necessary to keep our society running as the FFs intended.

Mark’s point stands; people who are in need of our grand- and great-grandchildren’s money offered so easily by the hacks in DC ought to expect to have to prove something to get it. There is nothing wrong with that.

This thread turned into a discussion of SS when it was started about the COVID19 relief bill.




And you obviously didn't read or possibly understand my reply to your post, which had nothing to do with what you last rambled about.

But, Rock On.


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Originally Posted by m_stevenson
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by m_stevenson
Yeah, let's not do anything to try and reduce scamming.
As far as I'm concerned, if they receive Social Security payments and don't file tax returns, they can go through that small amount of hassle.



You obviously don't know any social security recipients living on < $1500/month.

You are jumping to conclusions if you think that.
I stand by my opinion. If you are receiving SS benefits and don't file taxes, you need to prove you are who you are and that you are entitled to those benefits.
Besides, WTF does living on $1500 a month have to do with this? Please explain in English.




You don't get it, and I'm not going to waste my time to explain it to you.

People living on < $1,500 a month have more important things to do and be concerned about than jump through any extra paperwork hoops you think are necessary. They're too busy trying to figure out where the next meal is coming from.

There is no "recertification" for Social Security.


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And you obviously didn't read or possibly understand my reply to your post, which had nothing to do with what you last rambled about.

But, Rock On.


Boy I guess I needed to spell it out more explicitly.

My mother in law relies only on her SS which is <$1500/month.

I’d thought I’d give you the benefit of the doubt but “rock on.”

Or the amount of money we’re talking about they can do it or not get the money.

Your “logic” reminds me of those who act as tho showing legal ID to vote is some insurmountable obstacle.

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Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by m_stevenson
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by m_stevenson
Yeah, let's not do anything to try and reduce scamming.
As far as I'm concerned, if they receive Social Security payments and don't file tax returns, they can go through that small amount of hassle.



You obviously don't know any social security recipients living on < $1500/month.

You are jumping to conclusions if you think that.
I stand by my opinion. If you are receiving SS benefits and don't file taxes, you need to prove you are who you are and that you are entitled to those benefits.
Besides, WTF does living on $1500 a month have to do with this? Please explain in English.




You don't get it, and I'm not going to waste my time to explain it to you.

People living on < $1,500 a month have more important things to do and be concerned about than jump through any extra paperwork hoops you think are necessary. They're too busy trying to figure out where the next meal is coming from.

There is no "recertification" for Social Security.

Well excuse the fuuk out of me your Highness!
You don't have any edge on understanding poor people or people on fixed income.
Being melodramatic about it just makes you look like a jerk.


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And you obviously didn't read or possibly understand my reply to your post, which had nothing to do with what you last rambled about.

But, Rock On.


Boy I guess I needed to spell it out more explicitly.

My mother in law relies only on her SS which is <$1500/month.

I’d thought I’d give you the benefit of the doubt but “rock on.”

Or the amount of money we’re talking about they can do it or not get the money.

Your “logic” reminds me of those who act as tho showing legal ID to vote is some insurmountable obstacle.




You obviously didn't read my next post. You don't have to recertify for Social Security.


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Originally Posted by m_stevenson
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Originally Posted by m_stevenson
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by m_stevenson
Yeah, let's not do anything to try and reduce scamming.
As far as I'm concerned, if they receive Social Security payments and don't file tax returns, they can go through that small amount of hassle.



You obviously don't know any social security recipients living on < $1500/month.

You are jumping to conclusions if you think that.
I stand by my opinion. If you are receiving SS benefits and don't file taxes, you need to prove you are who you are and that you are entitled to those benefits.
Besides, WTF does living on $1500 a month have to do with this? Please explain in English.




You don't get it, and I'm not going to waste my time to explain it to you.

People living on < $1,500 a month have more important things to do and be concerned about than jump through any extra paperwork hoops you think are necessary. They're too busy trying to figure out where the next meal is coming from.

There is no "recertification" for Social Security.

Well excuse the fuuk out of me your Highness!
You don't have any edge on understanding poor people or people on fixed income.
Being melodramatic about it just makes you look like a jerk.




There is no recertification for Social Security whether you think there ought to be or not.


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Just found out we won't be getting a stimulus check. Originally they said they would use 2018 income and we were well within the limits then. Last year we sold a rental house we have had for quite a while and recaptured enough income to put us over the limit. Now they say they're using 2019 if you've already filed.

Between myself the wife and 3 kids we would have got $3900. Too bad I did my taxes already for 2019. I was just going to send the money back to them to help cover the $7000 we still owe in tax. At least we have until july to pay that.

Glad we have a little savings because the wife just got played off so we have no income now. So thankful we were a little bit prepared. Just hope we don't have to tap into the retirement accounts before this is over.

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