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MM, if I remember right, I thought the low shots were from sitting position. I actually didn't go check em till all shots were fired but I told my buddy I was pretty sure I kept dropping off the target from sitting position. Something about getting as comfortable as you can and knowing you're not on target but shooting anyway cause you know it's not gonna get any better...
Prone however was pretty solid when I switched to a 40 round mag for the extra height. Standing was just pressing the trigger as the dot started across the target. I have lot's of work to do. I hear ya. Offhand at 200 yards was always where I dropped most points on the USMC rifle requal range, where distances were 200, 300, and 500 yards. Just like you, I would try to let the round fly as the front sight was crossing the black of the target. Actually a multi time national champion in high-power that I've only managed to beat once in my life, shoots offhand just like that. On the move. A controlled move, and you just learn the timing, pull here so by the time brain, finger, and bullet hits target its in the middle. Only thing you have to know there is only pull going in, NEVER pull once in or going out... lol. There are so many variations to sitting and kneeling, folks get tied up trying to do it "right". Learn to make the position work for YOU... however you hold and work it out, as long as it works, throw the learning books out the window on that one.
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Formudulous, What is the current level of deployment of the EOTech line of weapon sights in your realm and your opinion and experience using them? Thanks.
They’re an issued red dot. They are better than they were before the recall but they still have issues. People like them for a variety of beliefs, but very few for the niche benefits they bring. Red dots on non play toys should be Aimpoints. Though except for specific uses, nearly every place that can is using 1-6x or 1-8x LPV’s.
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Formudulous, What is the current level of deployment of the EOTech line of weapon sights in your realm and your opinion and experience using them? Thanks.
They’re an issued red dot. They are better than they were before the recall but they still have issues. People like them for a variety of beliefs, but very few for the niche benefits they bring. Red dots on non play toys should be Aimpoints. Though except for specific uses, nearly every place that can is using 1-6x or 1-8x LPV’s. In that 1-6x/1-8x space is Nightforce still your preference?
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The NF 1-8’s are without equal, with the 1-6x SWFA a very solid choice.
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What is the right aimpoint for someone who is just getting into this platform?
Well, we don't rent pigs, and it's better to say it right up front because a man who does like to rent pigs is — well, he's hard to stop.
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PRO is a good place to start and not break the bank.
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This thread demonstrates everything I hate about shotguns.
First, we hear that a shotgun will "clear a hall". Well, at my house the hall is about 36" wide. Then we hear the shotgun pattern is actually 12" wide. That doesn't clear a hall. That doesn't even clear half a hall. That clears 2/3 of 1/2 of a hall.
So, you've gotta aim. And "not aiming" is the big benefit that everyone raves about with shotguns. Because they don't know what they're talking about.
If I'm gonna aim, I'm gonna aim the gun that's lighter, that's faster to shoot for follow up shots, that holds more ammunition, and that does all of that with nearly no recoil.  The Fudd force is strong in the pump shotgun group, ingrained in their membrane the deadly racking sound of the pump shotgun making the bad guy piss himself on your carpet right before a "swarm" of room clearing buckshot fills the air. The fly in the ointment is that probably half of them are so content in their knowledge that they don't ever have to ever practice with the gun that it would take 10 seconds just to remember how to get the safety off.
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The 11 shot pump 870 here is on the way back to the five shot A5, and then to the four speedloaders and 6 in a 357 Mag Trooper, that's "after" all the AR's, REPR's and handguns have been exhausted, the dogs are all dead, at that point not a GD thing is going to matter, the fu-king house will be on fire and falling down around me all the while the fancy indoor/outdoor security cameras are firing off video to Buds emails and cellphones.
Should make a hell of a movie for someone, not a damn thing wrong with using shotguns as part of ones brace of wares.
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I am damn safe in saying that you are not the average pump shotgun owner.
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Yes, I remember where the safety is! 
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This thread demonstrates everything I hate about shotguns.
First, we hear that a shotgun will "clear a hall". Well, at my house the hall is about 36" wide. Then we hear the shotgun pattern is actually 12" wide. That doesn't clear a hall. That doesn't even clear half a hall. That clears 2/3 of 1/2 of a hall.
So, you've gotta aim. And "not aiming" is the big benefit that everyone raves about with shotguns. Because they don't know what they're talking about.
If I'm gonna aim, I'm gonna aim the gun that's lighter, that's faster to shoot for follow up shots, that holds more ammunition, and that does all of that with nearly no recoil. The Fudd force is strong in the pump shotgun group, ingrained in their membrane the deadly racking sound of the pump shotgun making the bad guy piss himself on your carpet right before a "swarm" of room clearing buckshot fills the air. The fly in the ointment is that probably half of them are so content in their knowledge that they don't ever have to ever practice with the gun that it would take 10 seconds just to remember how to get the safety off. That reminds me of a story of one of my "Fudd" uncles. He would laugh at me for "wasting ammo" when i practiced, and jabbered about how guns needed to be locked in a safe. One day a skunk wanders onto his property, so he headed out to his shop and open his safe, screws up the combination the first couple of times, so he can get out his unloaded shot gun. Grabs some shells to go looking for the skunk. He goes to load the shot gun, but the sell keep falling out because he's trying to stick 20ga shells in a 12 gauge tube. Back to a different box of shells, finally gets it loaded, find the skunk and.........click. Gun wouldn't not go off, and the skunk got away. So much for the always ready Fudd Brigade.
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Slo Joe is a shotgun guy. mike r
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Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that.
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This thread demonstrates everything I hate about shotguns.
First, we hear that a shotgun will "clear a hall". Well, at my house the hall is about 36" wide. Then we hear the shotgun pattern is actually 12" wide. That doesn't clear a hall. That doesn't even clear half a hall. That clears 2/3 of 1/2 of a hall.
So, you've gotta aim. And "not aiming" is the big benefit that everyone raves about with shotguns. Because they don't know what they're talking about.
If I'm gonna aim, I'm gonna aim the gun that's lighter, that's faster to shoot for follow up shots, that holds more ammunition, and that does all of that with nearly no recoil. Totally agree. Running a shotgun isn’t this fool-proof, guaranteed thing people make it out to be. Especially pumps. I can’t remember where I saw the statistics, but one-shot stops were basically equal between shotguns and rifles.
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As far as irons vs red dots, I’ll say this: I will always support learning basic marksmanship with irons. But, when it comes to being able to quickly and accurately utilize a rifle (or even a pistol for that matter), its hard to beat a good RDS. I make hits with a pistol with an RDS that I would have never made before.
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The 11 shot pump 870 here is on the way back to the five shot A5, and then to the four speedloaders and 6 in a 357 Mag Trooper, that's "after" all the AR's, REPR's and handguns have been exhausted, the dogs are all dead, at that point not a GD thing is going to matter, the fu-king house will be on fire and falling down around me all the while the fancy indoor/outdoor security cameras are firing off video to Buds emails and cellphones.
Should make a hell of a movie for someone, not a damn thing wrong with using shotguns as part of ones brace of wares. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/a8Y9elu.jpg)
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I’ll take a RDS these days on anything they can be attached to. I know I make better and faster hits with them than with irons. Low powered scopes with good illum are pretty quick as well.
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Semi auto Shotgun with a light, red dot sight, would be cool.
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The last thing I want on a shotgun is sights, including a red dot. A light is useful though.
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