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Wouldn't it be so totally awesome if all commanders up and down the military chain of command in times of National Emergency went public with everything they "felt" was wrong with decisions and policies they might disagree with.
I mean heck we might never have fire bombed or dropped a nuke on Japan. Should have just dropped leaflets telling them to pretty please surrender. Excellent post.
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FWIW . . . In the military, you only write a letter (document) to CYA. Yep, letter or email to put on record. He should have sent an internal email up his chain of command and cc'd entire chain of command. Leaking to public was not wise. I think it was leaked by someone up his chain of command that had it in for him. You would be surprised how much jealousy and backbiting goes on within the upper ranks. Worse than a pack of old biddies and dowagers.
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And they are loving it. It sure quited down their social unrest. This was a first strike by the cchnkks in our war with them. It seems to be working and welcomed by the MSM as a tool to get rid of our inconvenient President. President Trump isn't in any position to tell them GFY yet. I hope it happens before he leaves office. China cares nothing for 1-2 million dead from this biological weapon, and they'll stick it out as long as necessary to achieve their goal.
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It just sends a hell of a message to our future military leaders. You try to save your people and your [bleep]. Gotta love this PC world when the left and some right are involved.
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Wouldn't have to have been from above, below same stuff. One of the problems with delegating responsibilities. A Captain is GOD on a ship deployed, but also responsible for everything. A message like this is a PF. (Personal For) He sent a letter? Not the norm at all.
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Hometown paper? His wife is probably Deep Throat.
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The communication should have been a classified message since it addresses readiness, probably on the TS level when you’re talking about an asset like a carrier and the airwing.
What passage of the letter that addressed readiness are you referring to, beyond the one that said he'd go to sea and kick anyone's ass he had to?
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If someone went around him to the Admiral or press, he wouldn't have hesitated to nail them for Failure to Follow the Chain of Command.
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people that text all day get on my nerves
just knowing that people are out there with that ability,....just makes me wanna punch myself in the balls
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It had to be someone in the chain of command. Nobody below him would have access to the letter, except maybe the XO.
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The fact that he is discussing readiness AT ALL in an unclassified document is the problem. The communication should have been a classified message since it addresses readiness, probably on the TS level when you’re talking about an asset like a carrier and the airwing.
What passage of the letter that addressed readiness are you referring to, beyond the one that said he'd go to sea and kick anyone's ass he had to? It’s not bringing up the presence of the disease on his ship that’s the problem; it’s the discussion of readiness of a “national asset” in an unclassified manner, where the world can see it and it can be leaked. That is the problem. Trying to protect your sailors is highly commendable but that’s not the mission of a carrier at sea. It’s to project American power and policy in contested waters. Tough thing to say but that’s how it has to be even during “peacetime ops We don’t have the number of operational carriers that we had a few years ago and if our adversaries know one of our deployed carriers is going to be out of commission for a while, what’s the likelihood that our adversaries will try to do something stupid? “Operational necessity” comes into play and it’s one of those phrases used to justify flying in really BAD conditions (weather and/or pitching deck) and in iin effectsaying, “we’re going to accept the risk of losing an aircraft or air crew” even during peace time ops. Search You Tube for pitching deck operations.
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Based on the situation, the letter should have only gone to the next person/s directly above him in the chain of command. Maybe it did and was ignored? BFD. Sit on it.
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What are the chances someone sent it to the Captains hometown newspaper to implicate him.
Perhaps someone had it in for him?
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Hey GayGagger, how about those Hospital ships?
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But sending it to anyone outside the chain of command
THIS is what got him fired and rightfully so..
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I read the letter and my point stands. His ship is weakened and he made that fact public.
l. You have no clue...
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I would wonder if the COB was non-com?
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SECNAV is right on the money: Relieved for cause
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"I have spoken to the TR’s Carrier Strike Group Commander, RDML Stuart Baker. RDML Baker did not know about the letter before it was sent to him via email by the CO. It is important to understand that the Strike Group Commander, the CO’s immediate boss, is embarked on the Theodore Roosevelt, right down the passageway from him. The letter was sent over non- secure, unclassified email even though that ship possesses some of the most sophisticated communications and encryption equipment in the Fleet."
Jorge I know you are intimately familiar with the "court intrigue" which occurs at the Flag level. What do you think was going on between the Strike Group Commander and the Commanding Officer of CVN-71?
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The fact that he is discussing readiness AT ALL in an unclassified document is the problem. The communication should have been a classified message since it addresses readiness, probably on the TS level when you’re talking about an asset like a carrier and the airwing.
What passage of the letter that addressed readiness are you referring to, beyond the one that said he'd go to sea and kick anyone's ass he had to? It’s not bringing up the presence of the disease on his ship that’s the problem; it’s the discussion of readiness of a “national asset” in an unclassified manner, where the world can see it and it can be leaked. That is the problem. Trying to protect your sailors is highly commendable but that’s not the mission of a carrier at sea. It’s to project American power and policy in contested waters. Tough thing to say but that’s how it has to be even during “peacetime ops We don’t have the number of operational carriers that we had a few years ago and if our adversaries know one of our deployed carriers is going to be out of commission for a while, what’s the likelihood that our adversaries will try to do something stupid? “Operational necessity” comes into play and it’s one of those phrases used to justify flying in really BAD conditions (weather and/or pitching deck) and in iin effectsaying, “we’re going to accept the risk of losing an aircraft or air crew” even during peace time ops. Search You Tube for pitching deck operations. Yeah, I didn't think you'd actually read the letter.
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Captain Crozier needs to be more than just relieved of command. The drama queen open communication of a readiness issue on a deployed aircraft carrier is way beyond poor judgment. He needs to be courts martialed out of the service , stripped of commission , and kicked out under other than honorable conditions. There’s little more important than the security of the operational condition of a deployed aircraft carrier.
Then there needs to be a review of the selection process that allowed someone so I’ll equipped to lead such a complex high stakes operation got there in the first place. The captain of an aircraft carrier should have ice water in their veins.
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