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Originally Posted by Showdog75
.338wm or he wears pink panties.


And it better be in a 5 lb rifle! grin

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Never kilt an elk and may never but I would go with a Vanguard in 270, 7-08, 308 or 30-06 if buying new.

If used I would search for a SS Hawkeye.

Toss em in a barrel stir em up and pick one.


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Weatherby vanguard s2 in 30-06, tally 2 piece mounts/rings, leupold 3-9x40 and he would have a combination suitable for everything mentioned. Easy. Peasy.

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Originally Posted by specneeds
Trying to give good advice to a 24 year old newer hunter who needs to by his first hunting rifle. He wants to be able to use it for elk & seems OK with a little recoil.

He wants to spend as little as possible to get a decent rifle. Told him 7mm or 300 are good choices for elk at 300+ yards.

So under $500 gets
Weatherby Vanguard
TC compass
Ruger American
Tikka T3x
Browning AB3
Howa
Mauser M18
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He planning to buy rings glass after rifle - thought Burris FF2, Meopta, Zeiss

Am I missing something?

Thanks


The easy answer is a Tikka T3x in 308 and the Burris FF2. It will kill elk as well as the 7 or the 300 and with a lot less recoil. I really hate to see a new hunter start out with a rifle that has the recoil of the 7 or the 300, he will be a lot better off with a lower recoiling cartridge that he can shoot well. Too me the 7 and the 30 both recoil way out of proportion to their effectiveness, given todays bullets neither cartridge is necessary for elk at 300 yds.

Less recoil will equal more practice and the 308 is a lot less expensive to feed than the 7 or the 300 which makes more practice likely.

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Originally Posted by hotsoup
Weatherby vanguard s2 in 30-06, tally 2 piece mounts/rings, leupold 3-9x40 and he would have a combination suitable for everything mentioned. Easy. Peasy.


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The guys first mistake was asking specneeds for advice. Hopefully he finds someone else to guide him that actually knows something about rifles/shooting/hunting.

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Thanks for the helpful suggestions.

And the entertainment from the lace panties section too.

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I noticed we haven't seen any pictures of your elk kills with a 270 in Texas... laugh

But you undoubtedly blowdry your chest hair...


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Originally Posted by Showdog75
.338wm or he wears pink panties.


And it better be in a 5 lb rifle! grin





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Thanks for the helpful suggestions.

And the entertainment from the lace panties section too.

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Let us know what you get.... I would go with an 30/06 or a 270win...


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I haven't read the whole thread so maybe this was mentioned already, but did you tell him about the Marlin .30-06 for $265 in the classifieds? He should grab that, put a Burris fullfield on it, and go kill stuff.

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First rifle. Any of the rifle listed will work, but I’d agree with a 308 , 270, or 06. I’ve been a range officer a long time and while a 300 Winn’s is a great gun, people won’t practice with them. The 3 mentioned have ammo on sale often, are easy to reload, and will drop an elk at 300 yards just fine.

Originally Posted by specneeds
Trying to give good advice to a 24 year old newer hunter who needs to by his first hunting rifle. He wants to be able to use it for elk & seems OK with a little recoil.

He wants to spend as little as possible to get a decent rifle. Told him 7mm or 300 are good choices for elk at 300+ yards.

So under $500 gets
Weatherby Vanguard
TC compass
Ruger American
Tikka T3x
Browning AB3
Howa
Mauser M18
????

He planning to buy rings glass after rifle - thought Burris FF2, Meopta, Zeiss

Am I missing something?

Thanks

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As a teenager and into my 20’s I went from a 7rm to 300 wm to a 35 Whelen.

20 years later I hunt with a 270win and a 6.5 cm. I don’t think I got tougher, just smarter.

Nobody is going to shoot a light rifle in 300wm as well as a 270win at 400 yards. No matter how tough they are.

The reason for the success of the 6cm over the 6.5 in PRS is because even skilled shooters shoot better with less recoil.


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Originally Posted by SeanD
As a teenager and into my 20’s I went from a 7rm to 300 wm to a 35 Whelen.

20 years later I hunt with a 270win and a 6.5 cm. I don’t think I got tougher, just smarter.

Nobody is going to shoot a light rifle in 300wm as well as a 270win at 400 yards. No matter how tough they are.

The reason for the success of the 6cm over the 6.5 in PRS is because even skilled shooters shoot better with less recoil.


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Having owned or meddled with most of the rifles listed.. I would choose a Tikka T3x Lite Stainless. NO question asked.
Howa/Weatherby next two options... way down on the list...

308Win
Stainless
Tikka T3x
Leupold 2.5x20
Sportsmatch rings
2 spare magazines
150-165 grain bullets
Rifle and optic for a lifetime..

Can buy pretty rifles later, if it turns out he loves hunting.


The 308 can easily be chopped to 16" and fitted with a silencer when he is older, and still make quite easy 300 yard shots.



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Elk are not hard to kill. It’s fairly easy to hit a target that size (32 inches back to brisket) at 300-400 yards with a 140-165 grain class bullet. The key really is a light compact rifle to reduce fatigue from the riggers of hiking through deadfall timber at altitudes of 10K feet all day and resume the next. After that the last thing you need to worry about is shooting a hard kicking 30+/- ft-lbs recoil magnum to make a typically less than 200 yard shot in dark timber on a target that size. The 500+ yard shots on elk with magnums is mostly fairytales, although some seasoned rifleman do it on occasion. An elk is no match for a 308 Win with 165 NPT. Your apprentice will find it more uncomfortable to achieve enough confidence in taking any shot on his first elk, especially if that shot exceeds 300 yards, then top that off with around 30+/- ft-lbs of recoil and you sow the seeds of doubt. Doubt is the worse thing the human psyche can posses when looking for success. Only one man’s opinion.

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Originally Posted by Brad
With apologies to my friends from Texas - this guy just has to be from Texas...


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Ruger American - .308 Winchester. I had a customer's Gunwerks 6.5 Creedmoor in the shop, and with it's Huskemaw scope I proceeded to work up a hunting load that would shoot into the 3's all day long at 100 yards. Another customer had a much more limited budget so I set him up with a Ruger American in .308 Win., then mounted a little Leupy 2-7x32 on it. That Ruger just about matched the Creed on average accuracy-wise, and actually beat it with the best single group result. Out of wiped barrel I called a "high and left" fouling shot, then the next 3 went into the same hole about a 1/2" away from the first. A sample of one? Yes. Was I still impressed? Yes!

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Originally Posted by AZ Southpaw
Ruger American - .308 Winchester. I had a customer's Gunwerks 6.5 Creedmoor in the shop, and with it's Huskemaw scope I proceeded to work up a hunting load that would shoot into the 3's all day long at 100 yards. Another customer had a much more limited budget so I set him up with a Ruger American in .308 Win., then mounted a little Leupy 2-7x32 on it. That Ruger just about matched the Creed on average accuracy-wise, and actually beat it with the best single group result. Out of wiped barrel I called a "high and left" fouling shot, then the next 3 went into the same hole about a 1/2" away from the first. A sample of one? Yes. Was I still impressed? Yes!

Now, get rid of that flyer and you'd have something. How was the chamber on that ruger? Some ive seen were rough. So much, in fact, that it scarred the brass. Another one i saw had a poor crown that greatly affected accuracy. Enough that my friend had to send it back to ruger for repair.


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This thread was hilarious, thanks to the inputs of the OP. Thanks, specneeds...I hope you get yours met.


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