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Hi Guys:

I know this is one of those endless debates, but I'd like to hear what some of the guys here prefer, and why?

Also, how about your nightstand gun? Will that change if there are kids in the house?

Appreciate all input.


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I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in.

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If there were kids, probably, but since they are none, both my Glock with the light / laser combo and 1911 have one in the pipe and the 1911 is cocked and locked.

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Originally Posted by P_Weed
I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in.


LOL !



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1911 types - condition 2 ( hammer down on loaded chamber).

Hammer down means safe - very intuitive.

That's how Browning intended the 1902 and 1905 to be carried; Tokarev same.

I believe the old U.S. Army manual specified that the thumb safety was to be used in lieu of decocking while mounted on horse, etc.







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If I'm "using" a gun, it's loaded.
Any gun I might carry/grab for self defense is being used.

The 1911 is just a range toy for me.
It's in the box, maybe someday I will trust me to use it that way.
The Glocks and revolvers are just old habits.


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Originally Posted by RickBin
Hi Guys:

I know this is one of those endless debates, but I'd like to hear what some of the guys here prefer, and why?

Also, how about your nightstand gun? Will that change if there are kids in the house?

Appreciate all input.
Cocked and locked. That's the only way a professional rolls.

When my kids got mobile, I quit using the Smith and Wesson 686 4" that resided loaded on my nightstand, normally with a speedloader or two, and which is THE best nightstand gun ever. I went to an auto with nothing in the chamber, but a loaded mag. When they got big enough to rack the slide, I went to keeping it completely unloaded and inaccessible to them, taking the chance that it was much less accessible to me. I relied on training them rather than keeping it completely inaccessible in the Safe. I also relied on severely limiting having their friends over and when they did, the gun was kept inaccessible. Now one is nineteen and the other is fifteen and both are trained and trustworthy and have their own firearms. I won't recommend my way to anybody else. It is all dependent on you and your kids. I'm just relating what I did.

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Any gun that I’m not carrying or “using” is unloaded and locked in the safe. For a gun that I am carrying or on the night stand:

Single Action: Cocked and locked

Striker Fired: Loaded

DA/SA: Loaded, decocked

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I’d like to know how Cooper’s conditions of readiness translate to striker fired weapons before responding.


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C1 or C3 are the only two that makes sense. Never manually manipulate the hammer. My carry 1911 is C1 and stays that way in a lock box at night. The less you have to mess with loading and unloading the less chance you have of:
a) an ND due to carelessness
b) inadvertently carrying an ‘unloaded gun

C3 makes sense if you are taking about something like leaving a gun in a safe for quick but not immediate access. Don’t rely on it to deter a motivated child. IMO, there is no real place for C2 with a 1911.

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Condition 1..loaded ready to go regardless of the type of action.

Just picked up a new Colt Competition in .38 Super Friday. Had not read a Colt Manual for a long time so I read the manual that came with the gun... Colt says the gun should only be carried in two conditions...1) Hammer down on an EMPTY chamber or 2) hammer cocked with the SLIDE LOCK SAFETY ENGAGED (manual safety)


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There is always one in the chamber of defense guns.

Single Action: Cocked and locked

Striker Fired: Loaded

DA/SA: Loaded, decocked

Shotgun/Rifle; loaded safety on.

When the granddaughter is coming (not near often enough), things get changed around and moved.


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There's only 1 way to carry a 1911, cocked and locked, been carrying a 1911 for over 60 years, C&L is the only way to go. Rio7

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SA, cocked and locked.
Striker, fully loaded, means one in the pipe.
DA/SA, fully loaded.
SA revolver, all chambers full.
DA/SA revolver, all chambers full.

Nightstand guns are 7.62 REPR/20 round PMags, and AR-15 with 120 round drum, a handgun is there, but would hand it to Wife as she rolls under the bed with cell call to POPO.

Were any house midgets to show up, all interior doors can also be locked from the inside/outside.


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The way I see it, having my 1911 in condition 3 saved two guys sacking my son's room 9/23/13 from getting shot. Hearing that slide being racked hopefully scared them straight as they made a mad dash out the front door. My first and only home invasion that made quite a memory.


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My granddaughter just asked to borrow a handgun from me. She has a 7 year old son. She knows I have a couple to spare. I said she could have one on the condition that she purchase a handgun safe . They are cheap, start around a hundred bucks. Hasbeen


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Cocked and locked, and the mag topped off for my 1911.

One in the pipe, and the mag topped off with my Glock 19

And 6 rounds in my Cold detective Special. (grin!)


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Originally Posted by RickBin
...but I'd like to hear what some of the guys here prefer, and why?


Condition 1 for EDC. For me that's a G19. Why? Because a striker-fired gun w/o a safety eliminates another variable--another opportunity for me to do something wrong. (Not that I'd be anything less than AWESOME in a gunfight, but...you know...just in case... smile ) Although, not trying to sound prideful, I did carry (and practice with) a 1911 for several years, and drawing and hitting the safety comes pretty natural to me, but again, why give yourself one more chance to blunder...

Originally Posted by RickBin
Also, how about your nightstand gun? Will that change if there are kids in the house


My kids are not really "kids" anymore. Look at my profile pic--that was a fairly current pic when I posted it, and the younger of those two will be 20 in July! (I've been here way too long!) But...for kids in the house, just get a lock box with push-button combination. Set the combination to something you can easily and quickly do in the dark. Many of those boxes require the last button to be the # sign. So 369# is great combo. Or 789#. Those are easy to find buttons in the dark.

Inside my nightstand box is a 1911 w/ night sights and laser grips (about the only time I would say laser grips are an excellent choice for self-defense). Also in my lock box is the key to a gun safe next to the bed that holds longer guns. (Not locked up, but also on the nightstand is my cell phone, eyeglasses, and a flashlight).

With kids in the house or not, that's my setup.


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I went through this when I was raising my kids. My wife got worried one day about them getting into the gun. It was one of my 1911's which I kept in condition 2. That was done to help keep dust and lint out of the hammer/firing pin assembly. What I did was to unload the gun and then have then try to dry fire it. BTW, they were taught how to handle a gun safely from a much earlier age.
At ages 6 and 8, neither could dry fry the gun on condition 2. At Condition 3, not even my wife could chamber a round.
Another point is where I kept the gun. It was not kept on a nightstand were a prowler can see or find it. At night, it is in a soft case with the end open so I can get at it w/o having to get my feet on the ground.
If you keep a gun handy at night it must be easily accessible and easy for the shooter to use. Waking up from a sound sleep and getting into action, one is often not at one's best....Duh ! BTDT.
Nowadays, I sleep with a 220 Sig complete with night sights. I don't turn on lights or go looking for potential prowlers. I don't fool with chambering rounds in the dark either. Don't give away the fact that I'm on to him/them. Giving away any tactical advantage I have is not my way. E

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