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Far more people in the U.S. have the coronavirus than you think. The real count could be 10 times higher than the ‘confirmed’ numbers. “If we only know about 1 in 10 cases, then even perfectly effective interventions on known cases can block only 10 percent of transmission. More likely in the United States, we know about an even lower proportion.” - Marc Lipsitch Marc Lipsitch is a professor of epidemiology and the director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/03/23/coronavirus-count-confirmed-testing/
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Newspapers charge ungodly amounts of money to run an obit.
I guess they had to do something to take up the slack, with all the campaigns suspended... 350$ here with a pic.
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Not to be cold about it, but statistics are funny things. This corvid thing is primarily a threat to the people with other health problems which describes the elderly. Are corvid deaths something new or merely killing people a little sooner? Say a person with COPD catches the bug and (predictably) dies. Perhaps that person would've died that year from COPD. So at year's end you have one more covid death but one less COPD death. You could do the same with heart disease.Could be by year's end the number of obits will balance out.
Again, not meaning to be cold but with statistics you have to be careful in stating the question you're trying to answer. Or you can get weird results which are essentially nonsense. I understand what you’re saying but have read that the virus does long term lung damage to the young and the healthy. Your thoughts ?
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Not to be cold about it, but statistics are funny things. This corvid thing is primarily a threat to the people with other health problems which describes the elderly. Are corvid deaths something new or merely killing people a little sooner? Say a person with COPD catches the bug and (predictably) dies. Perhaps that person would've died that year from COPD. So at year's end you have one more covid death but one less COPD death. You could do the same with heart disease.Could be by year's end the number of obits will balance out.
Again, not meaning to be cold but with statistics you have to be careful in stating the question you're trying to answer. Or you can get weird results which are essentially nonsense. I understand what you’re saying but have read that the virus does long term lung damage to the young and the healthy. Your thoughts ? How do they know that since this is novel and the 'long term' is not here yet ?
We pray our sights be straight
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We pray for no pain
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Not to be cold about it, but statistics are funny things. This corvid thing is primarily a threat to the people with other health problems which describes the elderly. Are corvid deaths something new or merely killing people a little sooner? Say a person with COPD catches the bug and (predictably) dies. Perhaps that person would've died that year from COPD. So at year's end you have one more covid death but one less COPD death. You could do the same with heart disease.Could be by year's end the number of obits will balance out.
Again, not meaning to be cold but with statistics you have to be careful in stating the question you're trying to answer. Or you can get weird results which are essentially nonsense. I understand what you’re saying but have read that the virus does long term lung damage to the young and the healthy. Your thoughts ? How do they know that since this is novel and the 'long term' is not here yet ? Novel only means it just came from another species. There is a great deal of history on how similar viruses damage lung tissue.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Not to be cold about it, but statistics are funny things. This corvid thing is primarily a threat to the people with other health problems which describes the elderly. Are corvid deaths something new or merely killing people a little sooner? Say a person with COPD catches the bug and (predictably) dies. Perhaps that person would've died that year from COPD. So at year's end you have one more covid death but one less COPD death. You could do the same with heart disease.Could be by year's end the number of obits will balance out.
Again, not meaning to be cold but with statistics you have to be careful in stating the question you're trying to answer. Or you can get weird results which are essentially nonsense. I understand what you’re saying but have read that the virus does long term lung damage to the young and the healthy.Your thoughts ? How do they know that since this is novel and the 'long term' is not here yet ? Because they do CT’s on em’ which clearly show holes in the lungs where functional lung tissue ‘used’ to be, and ground glass opacities in the lungs. The damage is done early on, and the patient then has significantly damaged lungs for the remainder of their life.
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Not to be cold about it, but statistics are funny things. This corvid thing is primarily a threat to the people with other health problems which describes the elderly. Are corvid deaths something new or merely killing people a little sooner? Say a person with COPD catches the bug and (predictably) dies. Perhaps that person would've died that year from COPD. So at year's end you have one more covid death but one less COPD death. You could do the same with heart disease.Could be by year's end the number of obits will balance out.
Again, not meaning to be cold but with statistics you have to be careful in stating the question you're trying to answer. Or you can get weird results which are essentially nonsense. I understand what you’re saying but have read that the virus does long term lung damage to the young and the healthy.Your thoughts ? How do they know that since this is novel and the 'long term' is not here yet ? Because they do CT’s on em’ which clearly show holes in the lungs where functional lung tissue ‘used’ to be, and ground glass opacities in the lungs. The damage is done early on, and the patient then has significantly damaged lungs for the remainder of their life. And a better answer...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Minnesota has 24 deaths, population of 5.7 million. Over the hump already.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
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Not to be cold about it, but statistics are funny things. This corvid thing is primarily a threat to the people with other health problems which describes the elderly. Are corvid deaths something new or merely killing people a little sooner? Say a person with COPD catches the bug and (predictably) dies. Perhaps that person would've died that year from COPD. So at year's end you have one more covid death but one less COPD death. You could do the same with heart disease.Could be by year's end the number of obits will balance out.
Again, not meaning to be cold but with statistics you have to be careful in stating the question you're trying to answer. Or you can get weird results which are essentially nonsense. I understand what you’re saying but have read that the virus does long term lung damage to the young and the healthy. Your thoughts ? How do they know that since this is novel and the 'long term' is not here yet ? Because of the nature of the damage. There’s a good article on this about a New Orleans lawyer who has just been released from the hospital. He was misdiagnosed from the get go and came near death and was on a ventilator for quite a long while to take the strain of breathing off of his lungs. The man was/is very health minded. www.2theadvocate.com
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Not to be cold about it, but statistics are funny things. This corvid thing is primarily a threat to the people with other health problems which describes the elderly. Are corvid deaths something new or merely killing people a little sooner? Say a person with COPD catches the bug and (predictably) dies. Perhaps that person would've died that year from COPD. So at year's end you have one more covid death but one less COPD death. You could do the same with heart disease.Could be by year's end the number of obits will balance out.
Again, not meaning to be cold but with statistics you have to be careful in stating the question you're trying to answer. Or you can get weird results which are essentially nonsense. I understand what you’re saying but have read that the virus does long term lung damage to the young and the healthy.Your thoughts ? How do they know that since this is novel and the 'long term' is not here yet ? Because they do CT’s on em’ which clearly show holes in the lungs where functional lung tissue ‘used’ to be, and ground glass opacities in the lungs. The damage is done early on, and the patient then has significantly damaged lungs for the remainder of their life. And a better answer... Yes it is, Art.
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Here in Pa., .000012 of our population has died from the Coronavirus. Kentucky, to-date is approximately .000009. Just under 1 per 100,000.
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Oklahoma has around 4MM people. As of this morning, we have 1,254 confirmed cases and 42 deaths. What has not been determined is how many people died from CV-19 and how many died with CV-19, meaning died of other causes while infected with the virus. Its very difficult and time consuming to tell so all deaths are being lumped into the "died from" category.
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Oklahoma has around 4MM people. As of this morning, we have 1,254 confirmed cases and 42 deaths. What has not been determined is how many people died from CV-19 and how many died with CV-19, meaning died of other causes while infected with the virus. Its very difficult and time consuming to tell so all deaths are being lumped into the "died from" category. Yep. We do like to put things in a specific box, don’t we ? It’s our nature.
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Not to be cold about it, but statistics are funny things. This corvid thing is primarily a threat to the people with other health problems which describes the elderly. Are corvid deaths something new or merely killing people a little sooner? Say a person with COPD catches the bug and (predictably) dies. Perhaps that person would've died that year from COPD. So at year's end you have one more covid death but one less COPD death. You could do the same with heart disease.Could be by year's end the number of obits will balance out.
Again, not meaning to be cold but with statistics you have to be careful in stating the question you're trying to answer. Or you can get weird results which are essentially nonsense. I understand what you’re saying but have read that the virus does long term lung damage to the young and the healthy.Your thoughts ? How do they know that since this is novel and the 'long term' is not here yet ? Because they do CT’s on em’ which clearly show holes in the lungs where functional lung tissue ‘used’ to be, and ground glass opacities in the lungs. The damage is done early on, and the patient then has significantly damaged lungs for the remainder of their life. They could do cardiovascular exercises like swimming to improve their lung capacity. No one has said it is permanent damage have they /
We pray our sights be straight
and our aim be true
We pray for no pain
to the game we pursue
We thank you Lord
for this land
We thank you for the sights
from our stands
We pray for safety, one and all
We pray we may return next fall
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I think it will still take time to be sure on lung function.
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Under ideal conditions one should protect the vulnerable, isolate the infected until they no longer shed the virus, and allow healthy people to work. This can't happen because there are insufficient tests and not enough quality respirators to control rate of infection. In the future vaccination if effective, safe and available will be cornerstone in protecting population from this virus.
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Not to be cold about it, but statistics are funny things. This corvid thing is primarily a threat to the people with other health problems which describes the elderly. Are corvid deaths something new or merely killing people a little sooner? Say a person with COPD catches the bug and (predictably) dies. Perhaps that person would've died that year from COPD. So at year's end you have one more covid death but one less COPD death. You could do the same with heart disease.Could be by year's end the number of obits will balance out.
Again, not meaning to be cold but with statistics you have to be careful in stating the question you're trying to answer. Or you can get weird results which are essentially nonsense. I understand what you’re saying but have read that the virus does long term lung damage to the young and the healthy.Your thoughts ? How do they know that since this is novel and the 'long term' is not here yet ? Because they do CT’s on em’ which clearly show holes in the lungs where functional lung tissue ‘used’ to be, and ground glass opacities in the lungs. The damage is done early on, and the patient then has significantly damaged lungs for the remainder of their life. And a better answer... Yes it is, Art. But there are no errors in my comment.
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They could do cardiovascular exercises like swimming to improve their lung capacity. No one has said it is permanent damage have they? The damage creates scar tissue. The scarring in the lungs is permanent once it has developed.
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And said scarring is in most cases is going to be unnoticeable to the average victim after full recovery and CONTINUED exercise.....unless they are an elite long distance runner, bicyclist etc etc( this is from a recent convesation with my fathers lung specialist). I know many former heavy smokers who quit and began an exercise program and although they had problems at first with breathing while exercising, worked through it and now have what most would consider a "normal" lung stamina level.
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