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70% of our economy is based on our overt consumerism. Americans like buying stuff. Cheaper, the better. We would need an entire cultural and economic shift...
"Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, and more money." -Tom T Hall
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We just need to get the people off their addiction to buying a bunch of cheap schitt they don't need. so are you the one to determine who needs what?...………..bob
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The 'Country of Origin" labels that have been removed and minimized need to be brought back to prominence. Let the U.S. citizens make the choice, do they want their money going to China. that's what I want...….we are going to try and not buy chink stuff...….gladly pay more for USA products...…….bob
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Do not buy from any country that doesn't require decent wages and safety for workers and enforce that strictly. Suddenly American manufacturing would start back up, and things would cost more but we wouldn't be supporting exploitation that leaves workers in slave like lives and actually kills people in third world countries. Are cheap goods worth what we are enabling in poor countries? Worse than slavery is what we are supporting. At least a slave was valued as property.
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I've always tried to buy American or products from western countries [tried]. Commented in the backpacking subforum quite a while back about buying an American made top quality bag someone? pm/d me about they could spend their money wherever they wanted . Commented on Trapperman about the BS of Duke Traps copying the Minnesota Brand MB550/650 then having them made by slaves in chinawan - members there said they LOVE the trap - nothing but greedy cheapskates who care nothing about the welfare of their neighbors . Good Morning Bruce !!!
PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024/2028 !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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Hey do they have China gals for the other thread about "Mail Order Brides"? Some of us could buy one or two of those China Dolls plant a few seeds and send them back home to Mao. That way we could get established from "the inside out" and eventually get Harbor Freight tools for free.
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BTW what is that meat in Pork Lomein? I never seen pork that color.
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Do not buy from any country that doesn't require decent wages and safety for workers and enforce that strictly. Suddenly American manufacturing would start back up, and things would cost more but we wouldn't be supporting exploitation that leaves workers in slave like lives and actually kills people in third world countries. Are cheap goods worth what we are enabling in poor countries? Worse than slavery is what we are supporting. At least a slave was valued as property. Do what? Linkage? 😆
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Sure hope for the sake of agriculture in the USA that they continue to buy millions of tons of grain and other ag products.
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Probably somewhere between the two. If people were only buying what they needed and few wants, then we'd probably be in a lot less debt to them. OTOH, they ARE the only game in town in many cases. We just need to be making a lot more stuff here and realize that essentially, slave labor in other countries ultimately carries a much higher cost than just the cheap goods made on the backs of poor folks that you don't have to look in the eye every day.
That^^^ Been saying virtually the same thing to my wife for years.
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Not an addiction... they're the only game in town. No choice. What can’t be made here? We probably can’t grow rubber trees so we’d have to import natural rubber. What else? I’ve read here that boots are in the category, but I mean really can’t be, not you just can’t find it for $9 at WalMart.
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Incentivize companies to move low-skill, low-cost production out of China to Mexico, Central & South America. Would much rather have friendly countries benefit from that trade and building up those economies would also help our illegal immigration problem.
It is unconscionable and an absolute embarrassment that we have, through trade, enriched and empowered a country like China at our own peril. Attribute it to greed of corporate America and short-sighted cronyism on the part of both political parties.
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It’s gotta start one step above the consumer.
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China holds approximately $1.8T of our debt. We just spent $2.2T in stimulus. Tell China the $1.8T they hold will have to be eaten on their end to recoup the majority of the stimulus. Don't give them an option, simply tell them that is the way it is going to be.
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Sue them in federal court for the cost of the pandemic they caused, then subtract an enormous judgement from what we owe them. Nice idea but it won't work. They'd just confiscate all the American-owned businesses in China.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
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China holds approximately $1.8T of our debt. We just spent $2.2T in stimulus. Tell China the $1.8T they hold will have to be eaten on their end to recoup the majority of the stimulus. Don't give them an option, simply tell them that is the way it is going to be. If they hold all of our debt, they hold nothing.
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Confiscate American owned businesses in China? Don’t confuse me with someone that GAF. Actions have consequences and in this case the blowback will be epic.
I am..........disturbed.
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We just need to get the people off their addiction to buying a bunch of cheap schitt they don't need. Not an addiction... they're the only game in town. No choice. Probably somewhere between the two. If people were only buying what they needed and few wants, then we'd probably be in a lot less debt to them. OTOH, they ARE the only game in town in many cases. We just need to be making a lot more stuff here and realize that essentially, slave labor in other countries ultimately carries a much higher cost than just the cheap goods made on the backs of poor folks that you don't have to look in the eye every day. I've believed for years that it's US small business that made a choice to source from china, and the pacific rim. This was done in interest of maxing their profits. All well and good I suppose. On the other hand max profits over sourcing from US companies results in US producers going out of business. The displaced workforce will seek .gov benefits to live on. Said US companies pay a price for this through taxation. So either way, there is a cost to US business sourcing outside US. Buy a tee shirt recently from some specialty business? Won't be made is the US. Also, look at the US rifle industry. Sourcing from the Turks. Savage/Stevens comes to mind.
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China holds approximately $1.8T of our debt. We just spent $2.2T in stimulus. Tell China the $1.8T they hold will have to be eaten on their end to recoup the majority of the stimulus. Don't give them an option, simply tell them that is the way it is going to be. If they hold all of our debt, they hold nothing. You miss the point. Making them eat the debt means they cannot at a future time try to collect on it. That wipes out that amount in the debt column and just about squares the stimulus. It comes off our bottom line and goes on theirs. Perhaps you didn't understand?
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Luv2safari: I like it! Currently we own the china red death inventors over $1,000,000,000,000.00 (one trillion dollars!). Lets diminish that enormous "debt" owed the chi-coms by doing just what you say. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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