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Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
Isn't the operational preparedness of a carrier at sea considered classified information?

Shouldn't the captain's messages be sent through secured channels?



How do you know it wasn't done that way and was ignored for "convenience". When facts threaten Washington/politics-first Brass, facts get swept under rugs. Maybe this was the catalyst of Crozier's ultimate fate. (??)


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Modly apologized for his actions, saying that he lacked situational awareness and......


That's a really bureaucratic way of say he went full retard...


Not sure exactly where situational awareness sits on the list of essential skills for a military leader, but it’s got to be close to the top if not the top.


IIRC that's where Custer said he went wrong in that draft report he never finished.

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Originally Posted by RufusG
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Modly apologized for his actions, saying that he lacked situational awareness and......


That's a really bureaucratic way of say he went full retard...


Not sure exactly where situational awareness sits on the list of essential skills for a military leader, but it’s got to be close to the top if not the top.


IIRC that's where Custer said he went wrong in that draft report he never finished.



Now that is really, most sincerely funny 😆


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Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
The secnav was a turd, he had to go after his profane comments on the captain.


Agree with this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

But the Capt. did have to go, good hearted gesture but a monumentally bad military decision.


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What happened to a simple 'relieved of command' without insults? Crazy how the culture has gotten.


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Originally Posted by Prwlr
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The secnav was a turd, he had to go after his profane comments on the captain.


Agree with this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

But the Capt. did have to go, good hearted gesture but a monumentally bad military decision.

No one I have read has yet stated Crozier sent the memo to media... they sidestep it by saying it should never have been written lest it fall into the wrong hands. Until they make they clear I think it is virtually as likely Modly sent it to the media...


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Originally Posted by luv2safari
Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
Isn't the operational preparedness of a carrier at sea considered classified information?

Shouldn't the captain's messages be sent through secured channels?



How do you know it wasn't done that way and was ignored for "convenience". When facts threaten Washington/politics-first Brass, facts get swept under rugs. Maybe this was the catalyst of Crozier's ultimate fate. (??)


I think message being sent through unsecured channel was intentional for "leak" to media to occur. It smells of political grand standing to me.


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Originally Posted by Prwlr
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
The secnav was a turd, he had to go after his profane comments on the captain.


Agree with this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

But the Capt. did have to go, good hearted gesture but a monumentally bad military decision.



Concur.


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Originally Posted by CharlieFoxtrot
Originally Posted by Prwlr
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
The secnav was a turd, he had to go after his profane comments on the captain.


Agree with this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

But the Capt. did have to go, good hearted gesture but a monumentally bad military decision.



Concur.



No argument here or from most here, I would wager.


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"Loose Lips Sink Ships Careers"! In this case, both of the people involved got torpedoed! The SECNAV was a real douche canoe- - - - -I doubt if anyone will miss him. It sounds like the captain put his crew's well-being above his own self-interest. I'd be honored to sail with him.
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Originally Posted by rem141r
seems like both of those guys exercised some pretty poor judgement.


From what I’ve heard and read, yes they did.


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Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
"Loose Lips Sink Ships Careers"! In this case, both of the people involved got torpedoed! The SECNAV was a real douche canoe- - - - -I doubt if anyone will miss him. It sounds like the captain put his crew's well-being above his own self-interest. I'd be honored to sail with him.
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Be interesting to know as suggested above if he had first gone up the chain of command and got stonewalled, so he then did what he did.

His crew who were on the scene seem to have been impressed.


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Originally Posted by las
Maybe more than one lapse in judgement... at least the Captain's is excusable (to me) for protecting his command, if it WAS he who gave his memo to the rag.

No excuse for Modly- that was sheer hubris.


The captains first responsibility is his command and second is to keep his ship combat ready. I can't believe there isn't more talk of being down a carrier in the Pacific with China on the rise. His letter should have been acted on twice.


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Maybe more than one lapse in judgement... at least the Captain's is excusable (to me) for protecting his command, if it WAS he who gave his memo to the rag.

No excuse for Modly- that was sheer hubris.


The captains first responsibility is his command and second is to keep his ship combat ready. I can't believe there isn't more talk of being down a carrier in the Pacific with China on the rise. His letter should have been acted on twice.

This, with bells on it. Get that flat rop operational. All else is horse manure.


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A pretty thoughtful post on the matter by someone with solid credentials.

https://warontherocks.com/2020/04/the-navys-crisis-of-special-trust-and-confidence/

There's a lot we don't know I suspect.


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It was a tough day in the squadron today. The SECNAV stuff was all over AFN, and his boy flies F-16s here. He seemed a bit distracted.

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This whole episode stinks of drama queens at every level. And they said that letting the queers into service wouldn't effect their readiness.

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Originally Posted by Pugs
A pretty thoughtful post on the matter by someone with solid credentials.

https://warontherocks.com/2020/04/the-navys-crisis-of-special-trust-and-confidence/

There's a lot we don't know I suspect.


That's a pretty thorough dismantling of Modly.

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Originally Posted by Pugs
A pretty thoughtful post on the matter by someone with solid credentials.

https://warontherocks.com/2020/04/the-navys-crisis-of-special-trust-and-confidence/

There's a lot we don't know I suspect.



Many thanks for posting that link. It is a thoughtful analysis indeed.

I’m sympathetic to Captain Crozier, but will withhold judgment until the investigation is complete. As you suggest, there is a lot we don’t know about his prior efforts to solve a serious threat.

As for Modly, in what universe could he believe his remarks to the crew would make things better? That was a textbook example of how not to handle public relations.


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Mobly is a stupid martinet. What he should have done is called Crozier (and probably some others) and gotten the story from his viewpoint. If he decided to fire him, he should have done so and released a brief written statement. You don't EVER EVER fire a manager and them go out of your way to badmouth the guy you fired to his former subordinates.


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