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Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: AJ300MAG] #14756734 04/07/20
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Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
Isn't the operational preparedness of a carrier at sea considered classified information?

Shouldn't the captain's messages be sent through secured channels?



How do you know it wasn't done that way and was ignored for "convenience". When facts threaten Washington/politics-first Brass, facts get swept under rugs. Maybe this was the catalyst of Crozier's ultimate fate. (??)


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Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: WoodsyAl] #14756735 04/07/20
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Originally Posted by WoodsyAl
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Modly apologized for his actions, saying that he lacked situational awareness and......


That's a really bureaucratic way of say he went full retard...


Not sure exactly where situational awareness sits on the list of essential skills for a military leader, but it’s got to be close to the top if not the top.


IIRC that's where Custer said he went wrong in that draft report he never finished.

Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: RufusG] #14756750 04/07/20
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Originally Posted by RufusG
Originally Posted by WoodsyAl
Originally Posted by RufusG
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Modly apologized for his actions, saying that he lacked situational awareness and......


That's a really bureaucratic way of say he went full retard...


Not sure exactly where situational awareness sits on the list of essential skills for a military leader, but it’s got to be close to the top if not the top.


IIRC that's where Custer said he went wrong in that draft report he never finished.



Now that is really, most sincerely funny 😆


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Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: Stormin_Norman] #14756848 04/07/20
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Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
The secnav was a turd, he had to go after his profane comments on the captain.


Agree with this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

But the Capt. did have to go, good hearted gesture but a monumentally bad military decision.


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Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: WoodsyAl] #14756868 04/07/20
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What happened to a simple 'relieved of command' without insults? Crazy how the culture has gotten.


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Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: Prwlr] #14756872 04/07/20
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Originally Posted by Prwlr
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
The secnav was a turd, he had to go after his profane comments on the captain.


Agree with this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

But the Capt. did have to go, good hearted gesture but a monumentally bad military decision.

No one I have read has yet stated Crozier sent the memo to media... they sidestep it by saying it should never have been written lest it fall into the wrong hands. Until they make they clear I think it is virtually as likely Modly sent it to the media...


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Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: luv2safari] #14756875 04/07/20
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Originally Posted by luv2safari
Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
Isn't the operational preparedness of a carrier at sea considered classified information?

Shouldn't the captain's messages be sent through secured channels?



How do you know it wasn't done that way and was ignored for "convenience". When facts threaten Washington/politics-first Brass, facts get swept under rugs. Maybe this was the catalyst of Crozier's ultimate fate. (??)


I think message being sent through unsecured channel was intentional for "leak" to media to occur. It smells of political grand standing to me.


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Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: Prwlr] #14757118 04/07/20
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Originally Posted by Prwlr
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
The secnav was a turd, he had to go after his profane comments on the captain.


Agree with this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

But the Capt. did have to go, good hearted gesture but a monumentally bad military decision.



Concur.

Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: CharlieFoxtrot] #14757289 04/07/20
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Originally Posted by CharlieFoxtrot
Originally Posted by Prwlr
Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
The secnav was a turd, he had to go after his profane comments on the captain.


Agree with this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

But the Capt. did have to go, good hearted gesture but a monumentally bad military decision.



Concur.



No argument here or from most here, I would wager.


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Re: Bye bye Acting SECNAV Modly [Re: WoodsyAl] #14757344 04/07/20
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"Loose Lips Sink Ships Careers"! In this case, both of the people involved got torpedoed! The SECNAV was a real douche canoe- - - - -I doubt if anyone will miss him. It sounds like the captain put his crew's well-being above his own self-interest. I'd be honored to sail with him.
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Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: rem141r] #14757386 04/07/20
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Originally Posted by rem141r
seems like both of those guys exercised some pretty poor judgement.


From what I’ve heard and read, yes they did.


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Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: Hotrod_Lincoln] #14757452 04/07/20
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Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
"Loose Lips Sink Ships Careers"! In this case, both of the people involved got torpedoed! The SECNAV was a real douche canoe- - - - -I doubt if anyone will miss him. It sounds like the captain put his crew's well-being above his own self-interest. I'd be honored to sail with him.
Jerry



Be interesting to know as suggested above if he had first gone up the chain of command and got stonewalled, so he then did what he did.

His crew who were on the scene seem to have been impressed.


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Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: las] #14757788 04/07/20
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Originally Posted by las
Maybe more than one lapse in judgement... at least the Captain's is excusable (to me) for protecting his command, if it WAS he who gave his memo to the rag.

No excuse for Modly- that was sheer hubris.


The captains first responsibility is his command and second is to keep his ship combat ready. I can't believe there isn't more talk of being down a carrier in the Pacific with China on the rise. His letter should have been acted on twice.


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Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: smarquez] #14757816 04/07/20
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Originally Posted by smarquez
Originally Posted by las
Maybe more than one lapse in judgement... at least the Captain's is excusable (to me) for protecting his command, if it WAS he who gave his memo to the rag.

No excuse for Modly- that was sheer hubris.


The captains first responsibility is his command and second is to keep his ship combat ready. I can't believe there isn't more talk of being down a carrier in the Pacific with China on the rise. His letter should have been acted on twice.

This, with bells on it. Get that flat rop operational. All else is horse manure.


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Re: Bye bye Acting SECNAV Modly [Re: WoodsyAl] #14757972 04/08/20
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A pretty thoughtful post on the matter by someone with solid credentials.

https://warontherocks.com/2020/04/the-navys-crisis-of-special-trust-and-confidence/

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Re: Bye bye Acting SECNAV Modly [Re: WoodsyAl] #14758001 04/08/20
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It was a tough day in the squadron today. The SECNAV stuff was all over AFN, and his boy flies F-16s here. He seemed a bit distracted.

Re: Bye bye Acting SECNAV Modly [Re: WoodsyAl] #14758088 04/08/20
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This whole episode stinks of drama queens at every level. And they said that letting the queers into service wouldn't effect their readiness.

Re: Bye bye Acting SECNAV Modly [Re: Pugs] #14758179 04/08/20
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Originally Posted by Pugs
A pretty thoughtful post on the matter by someone with solid credentials.

https://warontherocks.com/2020/04/the-navys-crisis-of-special-trust-and-confidence/

There's a lot we don't know I suspect.


That's a pretty thorough dismantling of Modly.

Re: Bye bye Acting SECNAV Modly [Re: Pugs] #14758353 04/08/20
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Originally Posted by Pugs
A pretty thoughtful post on the matter by someone with solid credentials.

https://warontherocks.com/2020/04/the-navys-crisis-of-special-trust-and-confidence/

There's a lot we don't know I suspect.



Many thanks for posting that link. It is a thoughtful analysis indeed.

I’m sympathetic to Captain Crozier, but will withhold judgment until the investigation is complete. As you suggest, there is a lot we don’t know about his prior efforts to solve a serious threat.

As for Modly, in what universe could he believe his remarks to the crew would make things better? That was a textbook example of how not to handle public relations.


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Re: Bye bye Modly [Re: IndyCA35] #14758473 04/08/20
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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Mobly is a stupid martinet. What he should have done is called Crozier (and probably some others) and gotten the story from his viewpoint. If he decided to fire him, he should have done so and released a brief written statement. You don't EVER EVER fire a manager and them go out of your way to badmouth the guy you fired to his former subordinates.


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