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You won't be sorry, got its charcoal twin
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![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/HLxBmyLk/C99-B40-D4-1315-4374-8-D93-224-B219-F8153.jpg) Made the choice Does that have a 4 ft bed? Looks pretty short
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Made the choice THAT is a sharp looking truck. The bed is 5 1/2 feet, but it's pretty deep and more useful than you'd think. My Tundra is still running strong after being bounced around offroad and on logging roads for 12+ years. As someone else stated, you see an awful lot of Toyotas offroad in the Pacific Northwest.
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Nice!
I had a tundra for about 15 minutes. They are a nice pickup, just not for me.
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Pretty fun to drive as it’s got 380hp and 4:30 gears
Hopefully it’ll tow a boat pretty good
I do know it makes the traction control work pretty hard in the first few gears if you get on it
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Pretty color. But man toy has to change it's design
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Pretty fun to drive as it’s got 380hp and 4:30 gears
Hopefully it’ll tow a boat pretty good
I do know it makes the traction control work pretty hard in the first few gears if you get on it Sounds like it's going to be rough on fuel.
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Are the Duramax General motors diesel engines made by Isuzu? I know they were a few years ago.
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2016 was the last year they were made by Isuzu. GM has made them in-house under license since.
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Don't doubt it at all. Truck convos are difficult online as some call a 4Runner or an AWD minivan a truck just because they can get it up a nasty road and toss a deer in the back.  What kind of abuse do your trucks go through that the Raptor is king? Ratio dirt to pavement for example. No flies on them, just wondering. I've driven a couple, but Ford ergo' s have always left me cold. Has your company tried any Rebels? I was tempted by a used one when I got my wifes pickup a couple months ago, but I didn't realize they had the adjustable airbag suspension. Fugg that. But seems like it'd be a close competitor for the Raptor, at least on paper. As I said above, we are in the top 5 on the ENR top Contractors, and the top 5 in Mining Equipment Giants. The divisions reporting to me in my working life were predominantly heavy civil construction, upstream and midstream Oil and Gas, and O&M for OGC and Power. We'd buy trucks, assign them, maintain them, and at 3 years (fully depreciated) or 70,000 miles (if more than 3 years) assess if they were worth tripping or keep and make job beaters. Until the big ecoboost Life Cycle cost on Fords was the best by a large margin...Life Cycle being purchase,operating costs insurance, Fuel Oil and Grease, Maintenance, Tires and Repairs, Depreciation, and Disposal Recoup (ie sales). We bought a few dozen Raptors for O&G pipeline integrity, drilling and well monitoring. They were simply flawless, with most miles offroad...BUT...the Z71's were as well, for 30% less. So, I guess to answer your question, the Raptor, in the records I have on a couple dozen is cheapest in T&T and Repairs, IOW, the ones we have simple wouldn't break...and...the 500+ BHP and factory Baja Race level suspension were things of beauty, but the buy-in, Operating Costs, Insurance, FOG made it not worth it... SINCE then, Chevy has taken over. The aluminum bodied ecoboost trucks have skyrocketed in O&M, T&T, and "particularly" repairs...we've had more "totaled" accidents in the last 4 years than in the previous decade... And, simply, despite the fanboy "I had one" or "I had two" Tundras have never on a life cycle cost basis measured up...simply fact...and we built and maintain the Toyota testing grounds and get them cheaper than most. As to the Rebel...I can't comment from a company standpoint since we opted the equivalent Chevy in 2019 because initial purchase was 20% less, and we've been too thrilled to change. Funny thing, though...my Dad and sister both got supplier pins from me and bought Rebels. They have been great, and "near" enough the equal of my 2 LT Trail Boss on the ranch that if they were cheaper life cycle (AND THE ELECTRONICS WEREN'T SO BUGGY!!!) I'd consider one....
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Factory new trucks?
My company buys 3200ish pickups a year
Best Is the Raptor. I've had a 2014 and now have a 2018.
Second, by a LONG shot is the 2019.2020 Silverado Trail Boss.
Next the ZR2
Distantly next the Power Wagon
3rd Gen Tacoma Sucks.
EVERY Gen of Tundra has sucked.
Anyone who says different doesn't "use" a truck...
City folks bragging about their adventures are a hoot... What would make the Power Wagon so far down on your list? I haven't been in one very much (I drove an older one at a dealer that was a used piece of crap though), but always thought with all they offered they would be just the ticket unless you had to go fast. Just what I posted above: Life Cycle Cost. IME they are GREAT trucks, just cost more at buy-in, cost more to feed, maintain, operate, insure, but don't bring enough at disposal to recoup. If performance vs cost is an overriding factor I'd definitely look at one...or the Raptor.
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Made the choice Is it new or used? Just curious because the TSS package usually comes with blacked out wheels to match the blacked out badges, door handles, mirror caps, etc..
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Factory new trucks?
My company buys 3200ish pickups a year
Best Is the Raptor. I've had a 2014 and now have a 2018.
Second, by a LONG shot is the 2019.2020 Silverado Trail Boss.
Next the ZR2
Distantly next the Power Wagon
3rd Gen Tacoma Sucks.
EVERY Gen of Tundra has sucked.
Anyone who says different doesn't "use" a truck...
City folks bragging about their adventures are a hoot... What would make the Power Wagon so far down on your list? I haven't been in one very much (I drove an older one at a dealer that was a used piece of crap though), but always thought with all they offered they would be just the ticket unless you had to go fast. Just what I posted above: Life Cycle Cost. IME they are GREAT trucks, just cost more at buy-in, cost more to feed, maintain, operate, insure, but don't bring enough at disposal to recoup. If performance vs cost is an overriding factor I'd definitely look at one...or the Raptor. Yep, that is a problem with these "Offroad" trucks, they cost a lot.
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As I said above, we are in the top 5 on the ENR top Contractors, and the top 5 in Mining Equipment Giants. The divisions reporting to me in my working life were predominantly heavy civil construction, upstream and midstream Oil and Gas, and O&M for OGC and Power. We'd buy trucks, assign them, maintain them, and at 3 years (fully depreciated) or 70,000 miles (if more than 3 years) assess if they were worth tripping or keep and make job beaters. Until the big ecoboost Life Cycle cost on Fords was the best by a large margin...Life Cycle being purchase,operating costs insurance, Fuel Oil and Grease, Maintenance, Tires and Repairs, Depreciation, and Disposal Recoup (ie sales).
We bought a few dozen Raptors for O&G pipeline integrity, drilling and well monitoring. They were simply flawless, with most miles offroad...BUT...the Z71's were as well, for 30% less. So, I guess to answer your question, the Raptor, in the records I have on a couple dozen is cheapest in T&T and Repairs, IOW, the ones we have simple wouldn't break...and...the 500+ BHP and factory Baja Race level suspension were things of beauty, but the buy-in, Operating Costs, Insurance, FOG made it not worth it...
SINCE then, Chevy has taken over. The aluminum bodied ecoboost trucks have skyrocketed in O&M, T&T, and "particularly" repairs...we've had more "totaled" accidents in the last 4 years than in the previous decade...
And, simply, despite the fanboy "I had one" or "I had two" Tundras have never on a life cycle cost basis measured up...simply fact...and we built and maintain the Toyota testing grounds and get them cheaper than most.
As to the Rebel...I can't comment from a company standpoint since we opted the equivalent Chevy in 2019 because initial purchase was 20% less, and we've been too thrilled to change.
Funny thing, though...my Dad and sister both got supplier pins from me and bought Rebels. They have been great, and "near" enough the equal of my 2 LT Trail Boss on the ranch that if they were cheaper life cycle (AND THE ELECTRONICS WEREN'T SO BUGGY!!!) I'd consider one....
Thanks for the sharing Journeyman. Sorry to get sidetracked, but could you comment on 3/4-ton trucks, 4x4 in particular? I'd imagine your company has info on that class of truck as well? Thanks, Jason
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Made the choice Congrats on your new truck! Hope yours is as good for you as my '16 has been.
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2016 was the last year they were made by Isuzu. GM has made them in-house under license since. Nope. DMAX of Moraine, Ohio is a manufacturer of Diesel engines for trucks. Originally a joint venture between General Motors and Isuzu, the formation of DMAX was announced in December of 1998. General Motors acquired full control of the venture in 2003, including all engine designs. The company's Duramax V8 has been extremely successful for GM.
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It’s new
Had black 20” rims with Goodyear’s on it and I got them to trade out for 18’s with 275/70/18 10 ply Toyos
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It’s new
Had black 20” rims with Goodyear’s on it and I got them to trade out for 18’s with 275/70/18 10 ply Toyos
Good idea, 20" rims do not belong on an off-road vehicle. My truck has 35" tires on 16" rims so I have plenty of sidewall to absorb blows from rocks and the additional sidewall aired down allows more surface area of rubber to contact the ground and conform to the rocks encountered on the trail.
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I hate the look of 20's on trucks/SUV's........
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