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Originally Posted by Rustyzipper
Szihn was trying to get you guys to see reality. That was as polite as I can say it! Be Well, Rustyzipper.

Reality is that if Slow Joe and his Commie pals get in office the same thing will happen here.There will not be many who will not fold when the Gestapo comes for you.


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Huntz is 100% correct. SlowJoe is not a problem, but the Dem/Comms are going to install a VP that will replace him very soon after his appointment (the election will be rigged) and the VP become president with Him/Her/It the appointing either Hillary or someone controlled by Hillary. DO NOT aloow the election to be rigged and bring it to light at every opportunity. If they rig it anyway, organised a tax revolt and get ready to fight.....................or simply surrender. Those are the only 2 choices you'll have.

People are predictable to a large extent and it's well documented. See old quotes below for a reminder) Laziness, cowardice and apathy are all part of the nature of most humans. A few are sheep-dogs, but most who are not lazy, cowardly or apathetic are wolves, and that is a recurring theme in all history. Americans are below stupid to think it can't happen here. It's happening now and has been for decades, but this Covid19 fraud is living proof beyond argument of any ---------------------------------------------except the most dedicated cowards.

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Originally Posted by dan_oz
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…. I am speaking to the current "men" of Oz from around 2015 until today. …


What are you referring to here? Why 2015?


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……. I am speaking to the people of Oz the surrendered their guns when a communist ordered them to so. .......


I have more firearms now than I had at the time of the "buyback". Just looked out the window and can't see any communists either.


I think you are a fearful, ignorant fool that loves to incite conspiracy.


Yep, that is about the size of it. The bloke knows nothing, and isn't backward in demonstrating that fact. Probably couldn't find Australia on a map.
It’s next to Greenland or maybe New Zealand right?

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You might find there are many people who lean to the right, yet support gun control because of a perception of public safety rather than political ideology. That is what happened in Australia. It wasn't the left that brought in laws banning semi autos.

Semi autos are still available under a special category, but you need to show reason....a farmer who needs a semi auto for pest control for example.

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Originally Posted by LawyerDaggett
Last year they made a 'friendly visit' of a number of war warships to Sydney Harbour- sorry, but a Chinese warship with armed marines guarding its deck (whilst moored at a secure Australian naval base) within 2 km of the NSW Parliament...
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A conservative federal gov led by a wacky
pentecostal christian decided not to tell its
citizens or the state Premier of NSW
about the due arrival of the warships.

The Fleet arrived the day before 30th anniversary
of the Tiananmen massacre.


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Originally Posted by szihn
Just to clear it up. The Aussi troops in the 60s and early 70s were great. I am not speaking to them. I am speaking to the current "men" of Oz from around 2015 until today. I am speaking to the people of Oz the surrendered their guns when a communist ordered them to so. Now they can be controlled. The compromised themselves right into safety and bliss.....................right? I see the same thing happening in my own country, and like all the defect to the other side, I have the utmost contempt for those American too.

Facts and historical truth can be dismissed, the "reasons" argued, and the blame passes, but you can't change the past or the truth.
And the people of Oz already surrendered to the communist in office and didn't resist at all.



The men of america bow down to the same policies any time they fill out a tax stamp for an SBR, silencer or machine gun. 1938 those gun control acts rolled out, you were still a pretty tough and traditional nation back then but I dont read any historical resistance to it. No shootouts with police, no storming city hall, no mass refusals forcing a reversal. Not then and not now. You took it just like a British subject would have. 80 years of happily filling out 'Communist paperwork' to own a slightly different type of item.

Add to that another 20,000 pieces of legislation designed to circumvent your 2A over the last 120years. I dont recall seeing any mass refusals, town hall takeovers, militia action to reverse them.

See this is what we call empty talk or blowharding. You could at any time show your own courage to resist such a law directly( maybe post a video of shortening a rifle barrel without your communist paperwork ).

but of course its easier just to talk about everyone elses 'lack of courage' in your country and mine wink






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Don't bother, you will just get a headache.


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Originally Posted by skitish
Heard that China was making threatening noises to Australia. I would like to hear from some of the residents what is going on and your take on the matter. I was fortunate enough to serve alongside Australians and later to work with them at Dow Chemical. Aside from being bat s*** crazy on their down time, I found them to be pretty good folk.


China has been threatening the whole world, we must find a way to tame them, they are really drunk about taking control of the world, they will do anything to get that.


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Australia deserves all our support. They have always been there for us.

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I like Australia and would personally consider any action against them an act of war against the United States


And New Zealand too.

I agree. Australia has awoken and is building up their military, despite the downturn due to Covid. NZ needs to wake up. Their military isn't getting bigger or better equipped. They seem to think they are insulated from world affairs. With one of the largest EEZs in the world and Chinese fishing fleets sailing south, they better wake up and build up their navy.

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History isn't much studied. But I see parallels between China and pre-WW 1 Germany.


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I think most the sabre rattling with china is just cover for the trade war the west has been bungling the last two decades.

After the USSR broke up , the west set up business in that whole sphere and made bank. We all sold currencies, land, national assets, even gave away our manufacture for a quick buck. The 90's and 2000's were all about 15% stock returns, cheap goods, easy mortgages,it was rejoicing throughout the land . We even invented a bunch of new fluff jobs to keep ourselves busy because we didnt need to actually make stuff anymore.

Then when the economy slowed down and russia started taking its territories back, the party ended. We were left with bloated workforces of dog shampooers and tree pyschologists competing against leaner hungry nations who own all the factories.

You dont need a crystal ball to figure this stuff out. The funniest thing is we wrote the rules to this war and even invited China to play in it.


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Originally Posted by UPhiker
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I like Australia and would personally consider any action against them an act of war against the United States


And New Zealand too.

I agree. Australia has awoken and is building up their military, despite the downturn due to Covid. NZ needs to wake up. Their military isn't getting bigger or better equipped. They seem to think they are insulated from world affairs. With one of the largest EEZs in the world and Chinese fishing fleets sailing south, they better wake up and build up their navy.


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Made me chuckle. NZ has less population than the Chicago greater city area fellas, its defence force about the same personnel as the Chicago PD. Navy ships are the most expensive platforms in existence, to buy, maintain, staff and service. New zealand currently only affords a fleet of 4 and two are patrol boats. The idea of getting an economy that small to build a navy that can patrol " one of the largest EEZ's" is sheer comic book fantasy.

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Yeah, I know. There's the saying that it's not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog. Simply not true, the bigger dog is always going to win the fight par on par with the weaponary unless something is majorly wrong.

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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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There's talk now of China banning the import of Aussie coal, barley, copper ore, sugar, timber, wine and lobsters.


Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by 158XTP
I think most the sabre rattling with china is just cover for the trade war the west has been bungling the last two decades.

After the USSR broke up , the west set up business in that whole sphere and made bank. We all sold currencies, land, national assets, even gave away our manufacture for a quick buck. The 90's and 2000's were all about 15% stock returns, cheap goods, easy mortgages,it was rejoicing throughout the land . We even invented a bunch of new fluff jobs to keep ourselves busy because we didnt need to actually make stuff anymore.

Then when the economy slowed down and russia started taking its territories back, the party ended. We were left with bloated workforces of dog shampooers and tree pyschologists competing against leaner hungry nations who own all the factories.

You dont need a crystal ball to figure this stuff out. The funniest thing is we wrote the rules to this war and even invited China to play in it.



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Originally Posted by 158XTP
Made me chuckle. NZ has less population than the Chicago greater city area fellas, its defence force about the same personnel as the Chicago PD. Navy ships are the most expensive platforms in existence, to buy, maintain, staff and service. New zealand currently only affords a fleet of 4 and two are patrol boats. The idea of getting an economy that small to build a navy that can patrol " one of the largest EEZ's" is sheer comic book fantasy.

Excuses, not reasons. Your allies are more apt to help you if you try to defend yourself and need help, rather than totally rely on others.
Let's compare it with three countries with slightly larger populations. New Zealand has a population of 5 million. Norway, Denmark and Finland all have a population of less than 6 million, so they are slightly larger. Here are their military strengths--
New Zealand- 2 frigates, 2 light infantry battalions, one mechanized battalion, 3 MPA, no fighter/bombers, no armor.
Norway- 4 frigates, 6 subs, 6 corvettes, 1 armored brigade, 6 MPA, 44 F16 & 15 F35.
Denmark- 2 brigades, 1 tank battalion, 5 first line frigates, 4 patrol frigates, 41 F16, 4 MPA.
Finland- 100+ Leopald 2 tanks, 3 brigades, 8 FAC, 60 F18.
As you can see, all 3 other countries have much larger, and well rounded armed forces. I don't expect NZ to match them. However, since the army is so small, has no armored vehicles or attack helicopters and the air force only has transport aircraft, 3 MPA and no combat aircraft, the money saved could be put to good use getting 1-2 more frigates and a few more MPAs. Also, to mention, the Danish and Norwegian frigates are much newer and better armed than the New Zealand ones. New Zealand has always saved money on naval procurement by piggybacking on Australian ship orders. Now, NZ is keeping their obsolescent Anzac class frigates while Australia has ordered 9 Type 26 frigates to replace theirs. If they don't wake up and order, they'll be left behind. NZ reminds me of Ireland. They have tiny armed forces because they think Australia/United Kingdom can protect them. What they fail to realize is that neither of those countries can go it alone against the two major threats in the world today.
ETA--For those that don't know, except in times of national emergency, a navy is capable of keeping one of three ships fully capable at one time. When I was in Auckland in Jan/Feb 2018, the whole RNZN was there except one inshore patrol boat. One of the frigates did do some small boat exercises in the harbor, but that was it.

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Originally Posted by UPhiker

One of the frigates did do some small boat exercises in the harbor, but that was it.




That is kind of rude, you see a couple of kiwis in a tinny out fishing and you think it was their navy...understandable...but rude.


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Originally Posted by JSTUART
Originally Posted by UPhiker

One of the frigates did do some small boat exercises in the harbor, but that was it.




That is kind of rude, you see a couple of kiwis in a tinny out fishing and you think it was their navy...understandable...but rude.
It did look sorta small, now that you mention it... grin

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