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Originally Posted by RIO7


Down here on the border in S.Texas, R-26 can't stand the heat, only time we can use good R-26 loads is mid-winter, R-16, H-4350, or IMR-4451, work better. Rio7

Can't you just work up a load in the heat? What am I missing? I wonder if the 153 A-Tips will even fully stabilize in the 1:8 CM? I see twists going faster and faster in the future...a bright future, I should say.


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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
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Down here on the border in S.Texas, R-26 can't stand the heat, only time we can use good R-26 loads is mid-winter, R-16, H-4350, or IMR-4451, work better. Rio7

Can't you just work up a load in the heat? What am I missing? I wonder if the 153 A-Tips will even fully stabilize in the 1:8 CM? I see twists going faster and faster in the future...a bright future, I should say.

I think 8 twist will work with the 153 A-Tip and the 156 EOL Berger.

The Swede has long handled 160's and most of them are around 8 twist or so.

I'm not worried about RL-26 in extreme hot weather. When it's that hot, it's too hot for me to be out shooting. When I hunt, it's generally 30-60*. I've read than RL-26 isn't that temp sensitive in certain applications, it varies. Not the best, not the worst...

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Someone here on the fire needs to kill something with those A-tips and report back.

Here is Hornady's load data for the 153:

https://www.hornady.com/assets/site/hornady/files/load-data/6-5-creedmoor-147-153gr.pdf

And the 135:

https://www.hornady.com/assets/site/hornady/files/load-data/6-5-creedmoor-135gr-a-tip.pdf


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If Berger is pushing their 156 EOL's at 2,800 out of the Creed with RL-26, wonder why Hornady doesn't include RL-26 in their data?

I don't know if those 153's have more resistance, but you'd think they'd move as fast as the heavier Berger.

Berger uses a std. primer, max load of RL-26, 103% fill ratio (mild compression) at 2,800 fps with their 156 EOL at 2.8" COAL. That long bullet has to be protruding well into the case at that COAL. For sure Berger has checked psi with this load.

Hornady tops out their 153's at 2,650 or so with 4 powders. I'm thinking RL-26 will out perform all four. I won't publish Berger's max load as they currently only give it out orally, but see no problem sharing per PM.

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i have been shooting hornady 153 gr. bullets with RL.26 out of my Red Ruger the very first load group those 153 gr. bullets was a 1/2 inch and i have been shooting 1/2 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards in the heat. i kinda think when its cooler this fall i maybe will see a better smaller average size groups. this Hornady 153 gr. bullet has shot some 3/8 inch groups too ,when its cooler i feel the 3/8 group size will be the average then .

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Originally Posted by pete53
i have been shooting hornady 153 gr. bullets with RL.26 out of my Red Ruger the very first load group those 153 gr. bullets was a 1/2 inch and i have been shooting 1/2 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards in the heat. i kind think when its cooler this fall i maybe will see a better smaller average size groups. this Hornady 153 gr. bullet has shot some 3/8 inch groups too ,when its cooler i feel the 3/8 group size will be the average then .

100 yds just isn't a good measure for these extremely long bullets. They are designed for long or extreme range, and I think testing should start at 300 yds. That's just me though. Thanks for the info, Pete. R-26 seems to be magic in the CM. Glad I got how much I got!


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HuntnShoot, Think I will save the 153gr. and load them in my 6.5 PRC GAP, But I may try a few in the 6.5 Creed just for the hell of it. we will see.

Loaded 10 rnds of 6.5 creed with Varget 5 with 37.5 gr. and 5 with 38.0 gr. both shot under a 1"at 100 yrds the 38.0 load was the best group about 3/4 "

I will load some more test loads with different powders in the next few day's should cool off the end of the week to the 90s it was 114 deg. when I was shooting today, hard to shoot with the sweat running your eye's. Rio7

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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
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i have been shooting hornady 153 gr. bullets with RL.26 out of my Red Ruger the very first load group those 153 gr. bullets was a 1/2 inch and i have been shooting 1/2 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards in the heat. i kind think when its cooler this fall i maybe will see a better smaller average size groups. this Hornady 153 gr. bullet has shot some 3/8 inch groups too ,when its cooler i feel the 3/8 group size will be the average then .

100 yds just isn't a good measure for these extremely long bullets. They are designed for long or extreme range, and I think testing should start at 300 yds. That's just me though. Thanks for the info, Pete. R-26 seems to be magic in the CM. Glad I got how much I got!



i plan on once it gets cooler this fall shootin those 153 gr bullets out too 600-700 yards ,i just got this rifle set-up with a 12-42 x56 Nightforce and i wanted to see once i did the trigger how well it would do even at 100 yards with this bullet. i am setting this rifle up for our winter fun in the snow shoots that are 100 -500 yards and i now know what load and bullet i will use.the 100 yard rifle range is right at my home and my shooting house with cement benches is 75 yards from the house its simple , easy and great for load testing, that`s the advantage of living out in the country.


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Originally Posted by pete53
i have been shooting hornady 153 gr. bullets with RL.26 out of my Red Ruger the very first load group those 153 gr. bullets was a 1/2 inch and i have been shooting 1/2 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards in the heat. i kinda think when its cooler this fall i maybe will see a better smaller average size groups. this Hornady 153 gr. bullet has shot some 3/8 inch groups too ,when its cooler i feel the 3/8 group size will be the average then .

Did you clock'em?

If Berger can push their 156 EOL at 2,800 with RL-26, don't see why the 153 couldn't match that.

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no not yet it was hot outside and i thought i would wait tell its cooler .my wife thinks i should be doing other more important things around the home. but i will soon i will p.m. you in a week or 2 ?

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Originally Posted by pete53
no not yet it was hot outside and i thought i would wait tell its cooler .my wife thinks i should be doing other more important things around the home. but i will soon i will p.m. you in a week or 2 ?

Oh, I understand....

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
If Berger is pushing their 156 EOL's at 2,800 out of the Creed with RL-26, wonder why Hornady doesn't include RL-26 in their data?

I don't know if those 153's have more resistance, but you'd think they'd move as fast as the heavier Berger.

Berger uses a std. primer, max load of RL-26, 103% fill ratio (mild compression) at 2,800 fps with their 156 EOL at 2.8" COAL. That long bullet has to be protruding well into the case at that COAL. For sure Berger has checked psi with this load.

Hornady tops out their 153's at 2,650 or so with 4 powders. I'm thinking RL-26 will out perform all four. I won't publish Berger's max load as they currently only give it out orally, but see no problem sharing per PM.

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Are you certain that Berger is actually pressure-testing their data with live-fire experimentation? I was under the impression that their load data is simulated using something like QL. I'll also point out that Hornady's load data tends to be on the slow side compared with the data published by many other bullet and powder manufacturers.

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Originally Posted by RIO7

HuntnShoot, Think I will save the 153gr. and load them in my 6.5 PRC GAP, But I may try a few in the 6.5 Creed just for the hell of it. we will see.

Loaded 10 rnds of 6.5 creed with Varget 5 with 37.5 gr. and 5 with 38.0 gr. both shot under a 1"at 100 yrds the 38.0 load was the best group about 3/4 "

I will load some more test loads with different powders in the next few day's should cool off the end of the week to the 90s it was 114 deg. when I was shooting today, hard to shoot with the sweat running your eye's. Rio7




Let us know how the results look!

I keep thinking that if these kinds of bullets were available 20 years ago, I'd own an entirely different set of rifles and calibers.


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HuntnShoot, Me to, instead of 40 rifles could get by with 20. Rio7

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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
If Berger is pushing their 156 EOL's at 2,800 out of the Creed with RL-26, wonder why Hornady doesn't include RL-26 in their data?

I don't know if those 153's have more resistance, but you'd think they'd move as fast as the heavier Berger.

Berger uses a std. primer, max load of RL-26, 103% fill ratio (mild compression) at 2,800 fps with their 156 EOL at 2.8" COAL. That long bullet has to be protruding well into the case at that COAL. For sure Berger has checked psi with this load.

Hornady tops out their 153's at 2,650 or so with 4 powders. I'm thinking RL-26 will out perform all four. I won't publish Berger's max load as they currently only give it out orally, but see no problem sharing per PM.

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Are you certain that Berger is actually pressure-testing their data with live-fire experimentation? I was under the impression that their load data is simulated using something like QL. I'll also point out that Hornady's load data tends to be on the slow side compared with the data published by many other bullet and powder manufacturers.

Not sure, just assuming.

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One thing that raised a flag, near the same load of Rl-26 (actually a tad bit more) in the larger 6.5x55 case maxed out at 2,664 fps.

Generally most data sources run the Swede at 45K psi or so for the older military actions. I'm sure this Creed load is running all out (60K+ psi).

And, maybe the reason why they aren't publishing this data is that it hasn't been officially pressure tested...

Don't know.

Results do sound good to a Loony...

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R-26 scares the hell out of me in heat of summer, I worked with it last year and had pressure spikes, that seemed to come from no where, I would like to use R-26 as I have a bunch of it but, I won't live long enough to use 1/4 of what I have. Rio7

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I've worked with it in temps below 85F or so and not had problems. I have had problems doing the same with RL17. Loads that were good at 60F were too hot at 85F.

I'd likely not run either in dead summer 95F weather.


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Originally Posted by RIO7

R-26 scares the hell out of me in heat of summer, I worked with it last year and had pressure spikes, that seemed to come from no where, I would like to use R-26 as I have a bunch of it but, I won't live long enough to use 1/4 of what I have. Rio7

What a damned tragedy! If I lived anywhere near you, I'd offer to share your R-26 burden. It's the Christian thing to do.


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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by RIO7

R-26 scares the hell out of me in heat of summer, I worked with it last year and had pressure spikes, that seemed to come from no where, I would like to use R-26 as I have a bunch of it but, I won't live long enough to use 1/4 of what I have. Rio7

What a damned tragedy! If I lived anywhere near you, I'd offer to share your R-26 burden. It's the Christian thing to do.


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