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Originally Posted by TrueGrit
I can't carry enough stuff in a full size long bed so there's no way a Toyota will work for me.



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Originally Posted by MAC
Don't buy new. Buy one a year or two old and get the depreciation value out of the way. Every vehicle on the road is a used vehicle and so will a new one be as soon as the tires hit the pavement outside the lot. At that moment you just lost 25% of the value. Haven't bought new in decades for this very reason. You can get used with full warranties and save the 25% which on the price of new trucks is significant.

You haven't shopped used Toyota trucks lately.


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Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
The emperor would appreciate buying a jap rig. They need the money over there.



A whole bunch of Americans are making a decent living building Toyota trucks here in San Antonio.


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Was in the same position a couple months ago. Test drove and ballpark priced everything initially. Came down to RAM or Tundra for me, landed on a 2019 RAM initially but dealer tried jacking me around after price was agreed upon and I showed up to sign. He did me a favor. Went with a 2019 Tundra 1794 instead, not disappointed in the least. Can't find anything to complain about 2 1/2 months in, 10 years down the road when I'm ready for the next one there is no doubt the Tundra will have held its value better.

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I am really leery of the new Ford system that shuts the motor down when you stop. It may work fine, I dunno, but seems to me it would put a lot more wear and tear on the starter. Maybe I'm wrong.

The GM system doesn't shut the motor off, it shuts down a sequence of motor cylinders when you are out on the highway. I don't like it either, but there are ways to turn that system off. I don't know if the Ford system can be shut off

My Ford’s system can be deactivated with the push of a button supplied by the factory. My GMC’s system can only be deactivated by an aftermarket device that voids the warranty. Guess which I prefer.

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Originally Posted by turkish

My Ford’s system can be deactivated with the push of a button supplied by the factory. My GMC’s system can only be deactivated by an aftermarket device that voids the warranty. Guess which I prefer.


Good to hear that the Ford system can be disabled. The plug-in Range box to disable the GM system doesn't void the warranty. Does cost about a hundred bucks though. Plug into the ODB port, done.

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Remember a Tundra is still a half ton.


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Not a truck but I was sitting in traffic next to a BMW SUV today, when we started rolling again it was apparent he had the auto shutoff design because the starter cranked for a moment right before he rolled. Sounded rough, BMW ain't Toyota or Honda, I felt bad for the guy.


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
I wish Stihl made trucks.


It’d wear out a gorillas shoulder just trying to start the damn thing!


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I went from Tacos to Tundra about seven years ago. Absolutely no complaints. I enjoy a comfortable truck that works well and is fast enough to get in and out of traffic, etc. Also, it has enough towing capability for more than I ever want to haul which, historically, has only included boats around or just over 20 feet, 2-horse trailers, 12 foot Uhaul trailers loaded and flatbed trailers, not with heavy equipment, just farm tractors.Mileage runs 13 - 17 depending on how I drive it. I like vehicles that work well, gives me peace of mind. Traveling with a whole collection of tools and doing roadside repairs went out of style for me a long time ago. Goofy little schitt the dealer can't seem to get straightened out gets my blood pressure up. i'm really happy with my Tundra.

To mention too, the inside has enough room for the whole family plus my wife's little dogs in their dog crates. First time my FIL saw the inside of my first Tundra he said, "It's like a limo in here!"


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Originally Posted by turkish
Originally Posted by auk1124
I am really leery of the new Ford system that shuts the motor down when you stop. It may work fine, I dunno, but seems to me it would put a lot more wear and tear on the starter. Maybe I'm wrong.

The GM system doesn't shut the motor off, it shuts down a sequence of motor cylinders when you are out on the highway. I don't like it either, but there are ways to turn that system off. I don't know if the Ford system can be shut off

My Ford’s system can be deactivated with the push of a button supplied by the factory. My GMC’s system can only be deactivated by an aftermarket device that voids the warranty. Guess which I prefer.


Yep. And it will get better mileage and have more power than a Tundra with the big EcoBoost V6 too.


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Looked at trucks earlier this year.
Both the Ford and Chev 2019 trucks had the auto start/stop system that shut the engine off when stopped like at a light. Both had a button to disable it, but only for that driving session. Next time you start the vehicle you have to disable it again. This really aggravated me, as I knew everytime I started the vehicle and had to press the damn button I could thank Obama and the Democrats.

Found a low mileage 2018 that didnt have this idiotic system and bought that instead.


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Originally Posted by MadMooner
Originally Posted by Valsdad
I wish Stihl made trucks.


It’d wear out a gorillas shoulder just trying to start the damn thing!


Cranking that baby from the front would really suck

Well, maybe it would come with an Echo starter?


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After owning Tundras for the last 15 years, I made the mistake of buying a F150. There is absolutely no comparison as far as trouble free ownership is concerned. Fifteen years and 300,00+ miles on Tundras, never back to a dealership. Less than one year and 15000 miles, the Ford has been to a dealership for warranty work at least three times (is at dealership for warranty work as this is typed).
Last Tundra sold for $6000.00 less than purchased for after 5 or 6 years of ownership. Ford has gone down in value $9000.00+ in less than a year.

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The lack of 'tech' is another reason I went with the Tundra. "but but but its a 13 year old design". Exactly why I wanted it. No engine shutting off at the stoplight. No cylinder deactivation when not under load. Big ol' fat knobs for the HVAC instead of push buttons on a touch screen. No turbo powered V6. Some may all be for that and worship at the alter of new technology, and that is fine. I don't.

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Originally Posted by smarquez
Originally Posted by MAC
Don't buy new. Buy one a year or two old and get the depreciation value out of the way. Every vehicle on the road is a used vehicle and so will a new one be as soon as the tires hit the pavement outside the lot. At that moment you just lost 25% of the value. Haven't bought new in decades for this very reason. You can get used with full warranties and save the 25% which on the price of new trucks is significant.

You haven't shopped used Toyota trucks lately.



Exactly...I put 2 years and 20k on a 2017 and sold it for 37000 a year ago. I paid 40k for it.

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Originally Posted by MAC
Don't buy new. Buy one a year or two old and get the depreciation value out of the way. Every vehicle on the road is a used vehicle and so will a new one be as soon as the tires hit the pavement outside the lot. At that moment you just lost 25% of the value. Haven't bought new in decades for this very reason. You can get used with full warranties and save the 25% which on the price of new trucks is significant.


That used to be true, but recent years, it's just not anymore.

Do some looking.

A pickup...say an F150 Supercrew 4x4... say 2 years old an 20k miles on it.

Price it.

Then after dealer/factory incentives, price a brand new one.

The used one will be within perhaps a couple or three thousand dollars. And have less, or no warranty.

Clean, used, low mileage pickups bring a premium. If you can find one... It won't be significantly less than a new one, in my experience.


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