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He already has his M-99, 30-30.

If that was my call, I'd load 130 Hornady spire points and go kill stuff. Those 130's (not the varmint version), are deadly on WT's. If one of those will blow thru a WT's chest, you may not need heavier bullets. And the 130's fly faster than heavier bullets, hit hard with good tissue destruction, great exits and good blood flow. Mostly I've seen DRT's with the '06, but moving at over 3K fsp.. Will have to check how fast a 30-30 will push 130's, but it should be pretty impressive vs. heavier bullets. And, the 99 will handle spire points.

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Just checked. In a bolt gun, one can push 130's in a 30-30 to around 2,900 fps. I'd not take an older 99 that fast, probably stay around 2,600 fps which would be deadly and should shoot well.

Interesting proposition.

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Originally Posted by MikeL2
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Hmmm, sounds like a good excuse for buying a Marlin 1894CL in 25-20 or 32-20


For deer?! Be better off dragging out my grandfather's old 38-40, except the barrel is worn out and won't stabilize bullets anymore. Makes interesting noises as they tumble thru the air.


Sounds like my old 38-40. You never knew where the bullets were going to go. I sold it to a collector. I'm a shooter. I need guns that shoot straight.

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Originally Posted by ingwe
If its 20-60 yard shooting Id be using the .223 and head shots. Easy Peasy ....

I'd even down load it a bit....
I was thinking the same. I've used a .22 magnum with head shots where houses were close and noise was a prime consideration. It worked well.

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Subsonic hunting loads are available for some of what you have. Pick the one with the longest barrel that you can use to place shots exactly for CNS hits to drop the deer on the spot.


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My vote would be for the thuddy-thuddy also, mostly because it means you'll be carrying that sweet old classic Savage 99.

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350 rem mag + cast pistol bullets + really reduced powder charges=fairly quiet, effective short range deer loads. Check the Lyman manual for load data.


So you missed the part about " I don't reload..."

Yes, I did. Sorry about that.

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Originally Posted by ingwe
If its 20-60 yard shooting Id be using the .223 and head shots. Easy Peasy ....

I'd even down load it a bit....

No, no...he doesn't reload. Missed that bit buried in the middle of the fifth paragraph too, huh?

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Originally Posted by trplem
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If its 20-60 yard shooting Id be using the .223 and head shots. Easy Peasy ....

I'd even down load it a bit....

No, no...he doesn't reload. Missed that bit buried in the middle of the fifth paragraph too, huh?


It was kind of a long post.

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I live in what was a shotgun only state and the last thing I’d buy is a shotgun or slug rifle. I’ll admit though, the 220 is a very good, accurate and effective slug rifle, I had more than one and my family uses them. Ammunition is expensive. The 12 gauge sucks. Total overkill and unnecessarily abusive. I have no experience with the 30-30 but frankly it makes sense from what you’ve stated. If you like the AR platform, the 450 Bushmaster would be a good choice. It basically replicates the 50 caliber muzzleloader which is super effective on deer at closer ranges. Have fun whatever you decide!

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.357 magnum rifle with most any jsp or lrn bullet 125-180 grain. You could go subsonic and still get the job done.


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Ithaca smooth bore slugs.... perfect

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I live on 13 acres, neighbors on 2 sides luckily the other 2 sides have the deer habitat. From my experience you need a cns shot placement with 100 % foolproof backstop or don't shoot. If you can't place your shot within an inch at those 20-60 yd opportunities don't shoot. It takes years to build good neighbors and you can screw that into forever with 1 misplaced shot. MB


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Think “get off the ground” so you’re shooting into the dirt especially if you’re expecting short range shots.


This is the answer. Let the earth be your backstop.

Also, your new hunting situation is a great reason to start reloading smile

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Originally Posted by arky65
.357 magnum rifle with most any jsp or lrn bullet 125-180 grain. You could go subsonic and still get the job done.
IMO/E this is pretty good advice. Both my boys started with a 357 Mag single shot rifle. Shots ranged from 25-60yds. Only one deer made any tracks and that was 30yds. The report of the 357 in a rifle is much "gentler" than any other centerfire I've used, including slug guns. As far as them making tracks after the shot, that's as much where you hit them as what you hit them with. With high shoulder shots the 158gr Hollowpoints put them down very fast.

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I have a similar situation in Ohio. But noise is not a concern for me.

I've used .45-70, .375win, .44 mags and .450 Bushmaster. As well as 12&20 ga slugs.

In your situation I'd use the .30-30 and go kill some deer. But any option is fine

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Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob
I live on 13 acres, neighbors on 2 sides luckily the other 2 sides have the deer habitat. From my experience you need a cns shot placement with 100 % foolproof backstop or don't shoot. If you can't place your shot within an inch at those 20-60 yd opportunities don't shoot. It takes years to build good neighbors and you can screw that into forever with 1 misplaced shot. MB


You have me beat by 8 acres but your comment is spot on. My place is about a football field wide by two football fields long. It’s crawling with deer and I see really nice bucks regularly. I wouldn’t hunt my land because the deer are pretty tame, but if I did I’d pick the lowest recoiling rifle I had with the scope set to 6x and use a CNS shot. Probably neck, since the head moves so much. I’d set up a 3”x3” target and see if I could hit it every time.




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Originally Posted by trplem
Originally Posted by ingwe
If its 20-60 yard shooting Id be using the .223 and head shots. Easy Peasy ....

I'd even down load it a bit....

No, no...he doesn't reload. Missed that bit buried in the middle of the fifth paragraph too, huh?

He needs to rectify that short coming... cool

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Originally Posted by moosemike
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Originally Posted by Jericho
Hmmm, sounds like a good excuse for buying a Marlin 1894CL in 25-20 or 32-20


For deer?! Be better off dragging out my grandfather's old 38-40, except the barrel is worn out and won't stabilize bullets anymore. Makes interesting noises as they tumble thru the air.


Sounds like my old 38-40. You never knew where the bullets were going to go. I sold it to a collector. I'm a shooter. I need guns that shoot straight.

My 1892, 1910 vintage .38-40. Those actions get pretty slick after a hundred years or so. Been a few WT's killed with the .38-40 over the decades.

Bore is shiny with a few pits. This thing is really accurate, shot tighter groups than my then new .45 Colt Marlin Cowboy.

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Originally Posted by MikeL2
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The recommendations for smaller caliber, higher velocity could bring my 250 SAV more into the game. I have Hornady and Rem 100gr ammo on hand, and a stash of winchester 87gr softpoints. With the Rem 700's 24 in barrel the 87gr loads should step out pretty good.

87 would be as heavy as I would go regardless of caliber/cartridge.

A light fast bullet is very effective on small critters like deer.


Some of our deer aren't all that small. I've taken some that were over 200 lbs field dressed. 87gr is lighter than I'd normally consider.

The 200lb plus deer are rare, but if your gear is set up for small deer your screwed when a bruiser shows up.

Never seen a big enough whitetail ribcage to stop a small bullet..

And I actually shot buck once that was supposed to be a bit over 200 pounds, neck was 27 inches at the ears.. with a 22LR to finish the deer when I managed to break his neck but he was not dead with a 300 wtby. That 22 pistol round went through a rib, into the heart and into the offside somewhere IIRC.

Bullet choice, shot placement. Simple as that. And being picky about the shot that presents.

OTOH if I'm going to be mad if I have to pass a southbound north end shot up, I run with some pretty large for animal rounds.


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