Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire How the hell do you sleep at night ?

Exactly WRONG! It's not the babies fault. They don't deserve death. It's the communities fault for allowing worthless parents to keep their babies, particularly when there are lots of people out there who would love to have them.

RR, you’d make a damned fine HEW Secretary !!

Ricky, it’s not so easy as we’d like to think that it is.

I flew back and forth to China for 9 years and on every return flight to the USA there were many couples returning with adopted Chinese infants.

Why ya reckon that is ?

Not meant to be a trick question.

Okay, first off I am no abortionist. I do not even know anyone who has had an abortion.

But as to how do THEY sleep at night?

Murder is, to most people, the destruction of a sentient being, a thinking mind, a soul. Without an active thought process, there can be no soul, there can be no murder. Thus, it is okay to pull the plug after the EEG has gone flat on the accident victim.

And we can slaughter chickens, hogs, cattle, ground squirrels, deer and elk.

And abortionists can do what they do and sleep well at night.

There are many who ask how we as hunters can sleep at night. It is a matter of perspective.

or reduced funding....One child payday! A second child will incur a welfare reduction of $250 a month. A third child $500 is subtracted from the original handout.

Ummm, better odds of getting a smart Asian baby then something that fell out of a ghetto drug rat? Snark, humor, grins

Huge tax credit........
Like 6 to 8k IIRC.
Had a major in Rotc that did it back in 05 06 time frame.

Same dude also paid for a enclosed pen buffalo shoot on some rez out west.
Literally a chain linked fenced in corral like they kept horse,s in prior to clients showing up to whack tatonka......

I hear ya.

Over the years I talked with many of these adopters and the resounding theme was about the “process “ here in America. I know there’s reasons for such an arduous process but the folks I conversed with said it was grossly overdone.

Again, good reasons for it,,,,,,,,

Strange thing is that so very few of those Chinese babies ever cried during that long flight. Very rare.

Equating children to animals is not a matter of perspective.

I can take the devils advocate side and argue damn near anything for fun, and often do.

This and rape are the 2 things I do not joke about or argue for fun.

Many milages vary on this. As evident everytime the topic comes up.

A very good friend of mine has 2 chinese kids he adopted. Sweet kids.

My wife has a friend who has a couple russian adoptees, and a couple indian kids. She couldn't have any more after the first 2, and they had the means, ability, and desire to foster and adopt more. The process here in the States is brutal, and when you're talking tribal kids? Forget about it. They want someone else to raise them, but not adopt them because they want them on the rolls for the $$$.

I don't consider a fetus to be human in the very early stages, at least for the first trimester. Certainly, it is a human in the third trimester. Perhaps we should consider a surgeon who removes a tumor to be a murderer as well, after all, he is removing a living tissue.

You're a brave man northern neighbor.

Well, having their own kid costs a bunch of money too. New clothes for Mom during the pregnancy, prenatal doctor appointments for mom and baby in womb, different nutrition for mom while pregnant, perhaps a larger apartment or house or a remodel of an existing room for a nursery.

And that's not to mention the actual medical costs of delivery, and the insurance costs (that are spread to you, me and the rest of those insured by the company).

If that $20-30K adoption cost is too much for them, perhaps they shouldn't be thinking about adopting even if they aren't capable of having their own kid???

Personal responsibility is the best choice. Birth control and abstinence are readily available to all, perhaps better education of the young would assist them in their choices. Abortion should be available to victims of rape and where the mothers life is threatened but all profitability should be removed from the process.

If our society can reward mothers w/ welfare it should be able to make adoption available to any who qualify w/out obstruction. Pro choice should mean you have the choice not to have sex, or to use birth control. if raising kids is not part of your plan.

To attempt to say that any abortion does not result in the death of a human because of some imaginary time line is indefensible. With Rights comes Responsibility and choice is a Right.


mike r

I love how the pro choice argument works. Everyone gets a choice except the human that gets slaughtered.

It doesn't have alligator DNA. It has human DNA. Does it have a heartbeat? If so, it's a human being.

Mike,

I'm certainly not going to argue the point about the 10 Commandments and ethics. Those, and similar from other cultures, have served mankind in good stead for many a century. And me for a bit less time.

Don't know the complete answer to all of this. Faith? Yeah, I have it or I wouldn't be where I am today, wouldn't have lasted until my 40's most likely.

The argument can be made that for every "Einstein" saved from the abortion table there could be an aborted "Hitler" saved also.

Like I said, I don't have the answer..............and it appears it's not going to get solved here either.

That is your perspective.


They are not children until they are breathing absent a placenta. What they are destined to become, they are not yet.

It is no more morally wrong to withhold the sperm from the egg, than it is to flush the fertilized blastula from the uterus via an IUD, than it is to scrape a 1'st trimester fetus from the womb.

There is not yet a conscience. There is not yet a soul.

That is the answer to how they sleep at night.

It's no surprise you're simple mind can only see two boxes that everything must fit in. It's also no surprise you choose to overlook where you fall short of the literal teachings of the Bible but are first in line to point out others.

It quite fortunate for some people here that their parents cared more about the life on an unborn human than they do.