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hard to understand why people chose to live in flood prone areas.... Then they come crying to the govt for help when their homes get wet! Usually, it's because the price of the land is "right". Louisville, KY is built partly in a flood plain, and it's usually those houses that are most "affordable" to struggling families. They have gotten flooded out regularly over the years, due to unscrupulous builders who are supposed to disclose if a house is in a flood plain. I grew up in rural Missouri, just uphill from a creek that flooded a lot (and it still does). Our house was up on the hill, as the bottomground was too valuable for farming to simply build a house there. In fact, NO ONE built their houses on good bottomground, and no one's houses flooded. But rural Missouri's population is pretty sparse, not like Michigan's, or Kentucky, where I live now. Sometimes, there's no other place to build a house, period. My dad once worked for a US Senate Committee that legislated relief for areas that had been flooded - frequently along the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers. He'd visit the areas and help assess the amount of flood relief funding necessary. He often suggested that the displaced take the Federal money and relocate to higher ground and was angered by the "good" folks in Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Arkansas, etc. who would joke that if they moved, they couldn't afford new furniture and carpeting every 6-7 years. And, these were people who considered themselves conservative and resented government!
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Folks wanting to fug with Ma Nature need to do their homework first, but often do not. I present you, the Everglades. Don’t get me started on that, please. Ok. And, I hear ya. Believe me.
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One of the dams, which the National Weather Service said saw “catastrophic” failures, had been under scrutiny by federal regulators since 1999.
The Edenville dam, where there is a hydropower project, is about 140 miles north of Detroit and was built in 1924. Federal regulators revoked the project’s license in 2018, after warning for two decades that it was vulnerable to significant flooding.
Say's quite a bit right there!
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hard to understand why people chose to live in flood prone areas.... Then they come crying to the govt for help when their homes get wet! Figure it out, idiot. I don't mean to be a jerk but he's right. Town I live in half the town is down the hill and considered flood plain even though it hasn,t flooded in a century. Guess which side of town I didn't look at houses in. Same as the guy on The weather Channel in LA and had his third house lost from hurricanes and flooding. At some point its your fault.
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That [bleep] storms runs right through the heart of Dow chemical. If Dow has a breach...kiss the Great Lakes good bye. Their silence is deafening. That would be major issue
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Did not know that there were earthen dams still in use.
Might be a good time after this is sorted out to get it built better.
Hope no more folks lose their homes or lives.
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hard to understand why people chose to live in flood prone areas.... Then they come crying to the govt for help when their homes get wet! Figure it out, idiot. I don't mean to be a jerk but he's right. Town I live in half the town is down the hill and considered flood plain even though it hasn,t flooded in a century. Guess which side of town I didn't look at houses in. Same as the guy on The weather Channel in LA and had his third house lost from hurricanes and flooding. At some point its your fault. Well, there is that. Wisconsin has had something a little north of 40" of rain this year to date. I lived thru 50" in 2 weeks some years ago, nobody drowned or lost their houses/huts. Denial is a poor premise for site selection for a home or business. 100/500 year storms do not arrive on any particular schedule. Back in 1950 Hurricane Easy dropped a hair shy of 40" of rain on Yankeetown, FL in 24 hours. Chitt happens, be prepared or move somewhere else. And don't trust engineers with your life and welfare re: dams.
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every 10 or 20 years there's an unexpectedly heavy rainfall somewhere around the state, no warning and random location, 6-8 inches. in this case, it happened to be around a couple dams, which would not have been designed or maiintained to withstand this kind of rain. Regardless, this event would cause flooding, dam or no d_mn dam
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hard to understand why people chose to live in flood prone areas.... Then they come crying to the govt for help when their homes get wet! In a previous post I mentioned that flooding is an annual spring event in this watershed and every year it’s handled very well by the residents and businesses. This is being called a 500yr-type event based on the water levels achieved and it’s the result of two dams breaking which have never broken before. If they hold, no one is affected just like every spring. And of the hundreds of people that I personally know up and down the river, nobody is crying for the government to save them. With the numbers of rivers in the US susceptible to flooding like this at some point in their history, you’re suggesting we not live within 20mi of them to avoid a once-every-half-millennia scenario? Curious where your nearest river is. I feel for them and pray for a speedy recovery. My property floods all the time but fortunately i live on top of a hill, while my land goes scuba diving, my house is dry.
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That [bleep] storms runs right through the heart of Dow chemical. If Dow has a breach...kiss the Great Lakes good bye. Their silence is deafening. That would be major issue Dow chemical is fine. The plant was successfully shut down, rail cars are secured and non-essential personnel were evacuated. The brine pond and a waste water pond was breached by Titabawassee river floodwaters and the Coastguard is on scene. Only one dam is gone, the Sanford dam is still intact but the structure is questionable. There hasn't been any concern about the Dow dam. Water level peaked around 3:00pm and are receding. Floodwaters were 3' over the max which was in 1986.
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GREAT NEWS!
Thanks for the update
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That is good news. Lots of customers calling today to see how bad it was, if the people they work worth were doing okay, and if there would be a gap in their ability to get product after this.
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Did not know that there were earthen dams still in use.
Might be a good time after this is sorted out to get it built better.
Hope no more folks lose their homes or lives. The Pebble Project near Lake Illiamna in western AK plans to build the largest dam in the World for a copper and molybdenum mine. Not only are they planning on using earth they plan to site it on a 2,500' deep( thick) tundra sponge.
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That [bleep] storms runs right through the heart of Dow chemical. If Dow has a breach...kiss the Great Lakes good bye. Their silence is deafening. That would be major issue Dow chemical is fine. The plant was successfully shut down, rail cars are secured and non-essential personnel were evacuated. The brine pond and a waste water pond was breached by Titabawassee river floodwaters and the Coastguard is on scene. Only one dam is gone, the Sanford dam is still intact but the structure is questionable. There hasn't been any concern about the Dow dam. Water level peaked around 3:00pm and are receding. Floodwaters were 3' over the max which was in 1986. You good?
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Did not know that there were earthen dams still in use.
Might be a good time after this is sorted out to get it built better.
Hope no more folks lose their homes or lives. The Pebble Project near Lake Illiamna in western AK plans to build the largest dam in the World for a copper and molybdenum mine. Not only are they planning on using earth they plan to site it on a 2,500' deep( thick) tundra sponge. You send Splatter his stock back yet?
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That [bleep] storms runs right through the heart of Dow chemical. If Dow has a breach...kiss the Great Lakes good bye. Their silence is deafening. That would be major issue The country needs to come together to save Dow Chemical. The company has done so much for society. They gave us the silicone breast implant. We need to keep that plant running and expanding!
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That [bleep] storms runs right through the heart of Dow chemical. If Dow has a breach...kiss the Great Lakes good bye. Their silence is deafening. That would be major issue Dow chemical is fine. The plant was successfully shut down, rail cars are secured and non-essential personnel were evacuated. The brine pond and a waste water pond was breached by Titabawassee river floodwaters and the Coastguard is on scene. Only one dam is gone, the Sanford dam is still intact but the structure is questionable. There hasn't been any concern about the Dow dam. Water level peaked around 3:00pm and are receding. Floodwaters were 3' over the max which was in 1986. You good? Yup. I'm a mile from the river and about 35' above its high datum level. All of the road bridges that cross the Tittabawassee have water flowing over them and are closed. We can't go west unless we take I75 south down to 69 and then west.
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The country needs to come together to save Dow Chemical. The company has done so much for society. They gave us the silicone breast implant. We need to keep that plant running and expanding!
Dow Corning is NOT Dow Chemical. Do pay attention.
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I bet nobody in those areas is concerned about the Bologna Virus any more.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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