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That’s a great looking rifle.
My only caution would be not so much that they are rough and don’t look so pretty when you get them, but by the time you fill some voids and what have you the ounces can creep up. That's good to know Rick and true. Something guys need to be aware of, for sure..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Mine have been pretty consistent at 24-25oz irrespective of barrel and action in letting. But it’s been a couple of years
I’m waiting on an ultra classic from manners right now which I’m hoping will finish under 20oz. It will. I just sold one and it was 18oz in the nose. Incredibly light! Mine was a short action.
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.. Kevlar is for strength not light weight.. not precisely true. Does anyone know how Brown builds their pound’r so light, yet so strong?
IIRC, Kevlar Pounder is layed up differently, being single layer construction. McM. carbon and glass use multi-layer. Kevlar gets it's strength through continuous fibers and I believe Brown's technique employs continuous Single layer. So Kevlar (done correctly) , delivers something unique. in that it provides a combo of lightweight, strength-durability and stiffness, that you won't get from carbon or glass in single layer or at the same weight. NULA stocks are Kevlar reinforced with carbon, just like Brown uses carbon to stiffen their stocks. from Brown Precision:
Brown Precision utilizes both Kevlar and graphite in the
forearm and other strategic strength areas of all of its
fiberglass stocks.
Graphite,..... We highly recommend adding extra graphite
to the forearm of a fiberglass or Kevlar stock.
It assures that you have the stiffest, toughest stock available.
Kevlar is a super strong, lightweight material...
The main advantage to Kevlar is that the stock is 3 to 4
ounces lighter and stronger than even our fiberglass stock.
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Anyone know if the standard stocks are weighing in a little more too? Just curious if all the stocks are a little heavier or just the edge fill? Yes, they are.I have some earlier ones that weigh 32 -34 oz.Now they are 2 1/4 to 2 1/2 pounds.
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Getting them to finish and paint puts it out of my comfort zone.
Getting the inletted blank, doing the work myself keeps it in my price range.
Paying a premium for that last 5-6 oz.
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I was looking to buy a Pounder in 1989 for my .300 Roy, and 30 yrs later nothing has changed in that BP still only offers the two options of; a rough blank or totally finished product.
There are a few of us who’ve spoken with Echols... I know for a fact he’s frustrated with McMillan making stocks that aren’t the same way each and every time.
D'Arcy has McM do the inlet for a customers order, but experience has taught him to have them sent to his shop for inspection prior to being sent to the customer.
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Totally finished is too much for me. I may could justify an inletted blank.
I’ve had a good bit of experience with McM. I get them inletted, do the glass work, return for paint. Just costs shipping one way.
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I was looking to buy a Pounder in 1989 for my .300 Roy, and 30 yrs later nothing has changed in that BP still only offers the two options of; a rough blank or totally finished product.
There are a few of us who’ve spoken with Echols... I know for a fact he’s frustrated with McMillan making stocks that aren’t the same way each and every time.
D'Arcy has McM do the inlet for a customers order, but experience has taught him to have them sent to his shop for inspection prior to being sent to the customer. As well it should. A good friend recently paid to have his barreled action inlet when he ordered his stock. Got it back and it left a lot to be desired! For what it cost, it should have been perfect!
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I’ve had a good bit of experience with McM. I get them inletted, do the glass work, return for paint. Just costs shipping one way.
DF This is the way to go on Micky’s IMO. I also no longer order finished stocks. I always ended up having to do something to the barrel channel or bottom metal inlet to get it right, then trying to match their paint. PITA. Inlet the bugger, I’ll tweak the fit and bed, send back for paint.
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Whoever inletted the Legand stock I used for my 404J Williams bottle metal did a perfect job. Didn’t know he used McM, but it was perfection. Dropped in with zero gap. Top side inletting was as good.
McM says mag fill for the .404J. Got it std fill with pillars and cross pins. D’Arcy said that would work. It did, but I did Steel Bed the recoil lug. I used a SS M-70 300 RUM for the donor. Worked out well.
D’Arcy is very easy to work with, is a stickler for details and quality.
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Not BSA, but the last Pound’r I bought the blank was 15.8 ounces. 22 ounces finished. You know this, but the guy doing your stock work needs to be careful with the Bondo otherwise the brown kevlar can gain some weight. Brown blanks are pretty rough!  Exactly what mine weighs on my 375 H&H M70.
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Edited to add: the last BP stocks I ordered, a Kevlar and a fiberglass, my leaky memory recalls that they were about 5 ounces difference in weight as blanks.....Kevlar is definitely stiffer, but you could argue that being stiffer it doesn’t soak up recoil as well as fibreglass which theoretically flexes a bit...
Mr.Brown himself talked me out of Kevlar by suggesting he could go through his inventory of glass blanks and find one that was lighter than normal. (ie: take advantage of variation in weights that occur in production) Basically he said you can reduce the diff to a couple ounces and save yourself the hassle of trying to finish a Kevlar blank. I took his advice and also requested 'extra carbon' option in the forearm.. The blank was impressively light and stiff. (but had they offered a filled/primed Pounder option, I would have got one). The pad I fitted was a Pachmayr 500B the lightest thinnest I could find at the time. (approx 6 oz. before grinding) Now days you can get these 2 Oz. babies! https://www.hastingsdistribution.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=60Re: recoil/stiffness, Kevlar is a compromise between carbon and glass [ less elastic than glass but more elastic than carbon] while having higher strength than both. ***** Although we often discuss different composite fibres, what is usually ignored are the type of resins used. Depending on whether one uses vinyl-ester (modified epoxy) or polyester, mechanical properties like elasticity will vary. Vinyl ester resins are a polyester backbone molecule with an epoxy component and considerably more elastic. composite technology is always improving-changing but we don't see it in rifle stocks.
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Thanks for the Hastings link. Looks interesting.
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Mr.Brown himself talked me out of Kevlar
by suggesting he could go through his
inventory of glass blanks and find one that
was lighter than normal. (ie: take advantage
of variation in weights that occur in production)
Basically he said you can reduce the diff to a couple
ounces and save yourself the hassle of trying to
finish a Kevlar blank.
I took his advice and also requested 'extra carbon'
option in the forearm.. The blank was impressively
light and stiff. (but had they offered a filled/primed
Pounder option, I would have got one). That must have been my luck! I have a std. Brown on my .338 Win Mag that I have hunted hard for the past 19 yrs and I have had zero issues. I have had a few rodeos in the mtns a few times and that stock is still rock solid! My Brown stock painted, bedded with pillars and a 1" Decelerator weighs 26 ozs. I guess I got lucky for once. Here is a couple pics: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/galleries/14915584#Post14915584
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Is there a specific manufacturing claim that McMillan is not meeting?
Yes: “ Stock weighs 22-26 ounces depending on action cut out.” https://mcmillanusa.com/product/hunters-edge-remington/
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Even Greyboe now offers a lightweight stock that they say weighs 25 ozs! You would think the Edge stocks could do better??? https://grayboe.com/shop/lightweight-25oz-outlander/
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How would you rate High Tech Specialist / LAW (Legendary Action works) stocks?
In weight and strength?
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Didn't McMillan run a statement that there was no edge fill any longer only standard. Or was it that there wasn't an edge fill. Sorry if this was posted previously didn't read the entire thread.
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