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Originally Posted by cwh2
As I mentioned above, those are great poles, and a heck of a bargain. But carbon and big rock (glacial moraine) is a bad combo. If the rock can score the carbon (because the poles are slipping between rocks) you'll break them in very short order.

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The Costco/cascade ok for recreational hiking but Ive broke 3 pair on strenuous hiking in rocks and deeper snow.

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The BD Carbon Cork has held up to rock very well for me.

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Originally Posted by ribka
Originally Posted by cwh2
As I mentioned above, those are great poles, and a heck of a bargain. But carbon and big rock (glacial moraine) is a bad combo. If the rock can score the carbon (because the poles are slipping between rocks) you'll break them in very short order.

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The Costco/cascade ok for recreational hiking but Ive broke 3 pair on strenuous hiking in rocks and deeper snow.



My wife had the cascades, they were constantly needing adjustment and once collapsed, they now prop up tarps, couldn't be trusted.


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Mike, that's interesting. I never had a problem with them collapsing once I tightened them down. I used one pair for sheep and they did great. Tons and tons of shale, on the way up and the way down and 90% of the "middle" although it was a pretty quick hunt.

Then on the wife's goat hunt, the bottoms broke out. The next day as we climbed back up, one of hers (which had been brand new the day before) broke. Oh well, cheap lesson as things go.

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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
The BD Carbon Cork has held up to rock very well for me.


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If you use trekking poles long enough, they are going to break. From Cabelas "closeouts" to Leki's and Black Diamonds. My first sheep hunt taught me the value of having extra balance. Large rock fields are murderous on the poles. But with heavy loads and fatigue, they are still worth it. Their value in support and balance outweigh their "shelf life". Its just their occupational reality.


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Originally Posted by bigwhoop
If you use trekking poles long enough, they are going to break. From Cabelas "closeouts" to Leki's and Black Diamonds. My first sheep hunt taught me the value of having extra balance. Large rock fields are murderous on the poles. But with heavy loads and fatigue, they are still worth it. Their value in support and balance outweigh their "shelf life". Its just their occupational reality.


Having used both going back to the 1970's, I find an ice axe or single cane better than poles with a stout pack on alpine rock/snow. I find having a free hand and short cane/axe in the other safer (more balance worthy and maneuverable) than longer poles in both hands... but poles are de rigueur these days.


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Definetly a different type of hunting than most here do, but I only use one pole in my right (dominant) hand.
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I also use 1 pole. With some practice, it can be used for a good rifle rest in addition to the hiking.
I've used Costco's and BD's. BD's cost twice as much but I don't think they have twice the life. They're better, yes, but I don't think they'll save you money in the long run. OTOH, even the best ones aren't so expensive that you can't afford to replace them on occasion.


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I have a pair of BD carbon z poles- great for trail running in the mountains- they fold and are very light; too light for hunting in the mountains however

I tried a pair of aluminum z poles for tougher duty stuff, broke one when fording a fast stream (and got to swim); sent into BD and they exchanged for their heaviest (thickest) z pole- the Alpine model; broke one of those this past winter snowshoeing

I love the foldability of the z poles, but there is a flaw in the design to cause them to break in the same place- two pairs, two different models- both broke in the same place

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This time time I went with one of their aluminum two piece ski poles (Flicklock)- the Traverse WR- WR as in whippet ready; purchased the whippet head- they covered the poles under warranty

I have about 150 miles of snowshoeing/backcountry skiing with these and am confident these will do the trick. Not as handy as the fold up poles, not as light (not heavy though), but with they are stout and the whippet head will definitely come in handy at times.

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Have seen the Leki folding carbon poles break at the push button that you use to take up the slack in the internal cord. Sort of a built-in weak point. First one broke like 4 days into its first trip. Nice design other than that.

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sounds like the BD ones break at the same point- it's the spot you pull on and then locks

I'm keeping my carbon ones for trail running, they don't see near the loading that off trail mountain travel sees

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Ive been using the same Leki aluminum folders for several years now

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I run leki carbon fiber, got em from Kenetrek, they work good. Ask ctsmith.. 😂😂


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Originally Posted by mtwarden
I have a pair of BD carbon z poles- great for trail running in the mountains- they fold and are very light; too light for hunting in the mountains however

I tried a pair of aluminum z poles for tougher duty stuff, broke one when fording a fast stream (and got to swim); sent into BD and they exchanged for their heaviest (thickest) z pole- the Alpine model; broke one of those this past winter snowshoeing

I love the foldability of the z poles, but there is a flaw in the design to cause them to break in the same place- two pairs, two different models- both broke in the same place

[Linked Image from imgur.com]

This time time I went with one of their aluminum two piece ski poles (Flicklock)- the Traverse WR- WR as in whippet ready; purchased the whippet head- they covered the poles under warranty

I have about 150 miles of snowshoeing/backcountry skiing with these and am confident these will do the trick. Not as handy as the fold up poles, not as light (not heavy though), but with they are stout and the whippet head will definitely come in handy at times.






The whippet is genius. Micro spikes and a whippet are a good combo.


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Originally Posted by lvmiker





The whippet is genius. Micro spikes and a whippet are a good combo.


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yeah definitely; too bad I'm a dumbass though and didn't bring them with me this past weekend!

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glissade. lol

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The whippet is genius. Micro spikes and a whippet are a good combo.


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yeah definitely; too bad I'm a dumbass though and didn't bring them with me this past weekend!

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would have been one hell of a ride! laugh

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A long ride and a tough landing. I had to turn around on 12 mile hike in the Rubys 2 years ago because of an icy steep section of about 50 yards that dropped into an abyss. If i had a Whippet or axe then we could have crossed it. Both my wife and I now have Whippets. Why not?


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