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55 Sierra SP's? If so try about 25.5 gr of TAC (if you still have any). Might not work in your rifles but does in 2 of mine.

55gr hpbt.. I might just run with these 69’s they are priced to bad.. I better have it sorted out by next Saturday lol..

Of course <face palm>, how foolish of me.

Well good luck with it.

Sounds like 79s better get his schidt together by next weekend.

My wife has me playing farmer bob finally got seed planted in the garden.. i will probably be using 73gr eld-m with 23.5gr h4895, rem 7 1/2 primers. Seated at can’t remember lol.. Just playing around with other bullets see what I could come up with.

This is a 100 yd reduces high power match, when you get bored give it a go. Standing slow fire you cannot use a sling.. rapid fire you use sling, 99% time we shoot in the sitting position. prone you use sling.. all the targets to use are listed as well..

2 sighting shots and 10 shots for record, standing, slow fire, 100 yards, SR-1 target. 10 minutes
2 sighting shots and 10 shots for record, sitting or kneeling, rapid fire, 100 yards, SR-1 target. 60 seconds, magazine change first mag has 2rds, second mag has 8 rds.
2 sighting shots and 10 shots for record, prone, rapid fire, SR-21 target. 70 seconds, magazine change first mag has 2rds, second mag has 8 rds.
2 sighting shots and 20 shots for record, prone, slow fire, MR-31 target. 20 minutes

Sounds like fun buddy. I like shooting offhand, generally slinged up though. Are you running your 4.5x scope? That 73gr eld match is a great bullet. One of my favorites. I looked at my .224 bullet supply today and saw i have 200 73gr eldm pills. They fly straight for sure. I gave up on the 69gr SMK after first trying the 73gr hornady. Now ive made full circle, since ive been shooting my Noveske more. When i want to switch things up a bit, i do the carl ross positional shoot for practice. You shoot timed targets in offhand, sitting, off sticks and off a pack. More like hunting scenerios. When we have ar shoots at my club, we shoot more your style. Offhand, sitting and prone. What some guys dont realize is a lot of us that shoot off the bench and post results in the black rifle and moa all day long challenge here is that we dont just shoot off the bench. They make fun of us "x shooters", but for some reason dont get the importance of being able to strategically place the bullet where we want it to go each and every time. It should be that way, regardless of the quarry. Hit what you are aiming at. That is the important thing to think about.

I changed my reply, because I was going to the range today but spent all day out in the wife garden planting potatoes seed, and green beans. So I worked on a load last week with the 73gr eld-m. Weds will try to hit the range to verify the load. Yes will be using 1-4 swfa scope. So far I been pretty happy with it.

You know if that load doesn't work out, you can always use AR Comp. A load that shoots very accurately is 20.5gr, but is not a screamer. Almost guaranteed to shoot very well in your rifle...At 100 yards, it is very consistent. Sub moa in my rifles... and when I say sub moa, I'm talking 10 shot groups..

I shot that load last week and shot great. Just want verify it, will do it again. For these shoots I don’t need anything fast lol..

Yep, at 100 yards, accuracy trumps velocity..

WOW, BS Kchunter gasbaging another thread!!

That's not exactly a mild load......................at least IME, but with other similar bullets, not the 73 ELD.

MM

Anything less than 2700 is mild lol.. I’m going to chrono that load today or tomorrow.i hope it’s over 2650 I really want to try it out to 600yds.

I use H4895 in my bolt guns but not in an AR; IMO, the recoil impulse is too quick with sharp recoil; too many better choices for an AR.

I don't know what the bearing surface on the ELD bullet is, & I'm sure it's different than a 77 SMK, but with the SMK, 22.5 is about max, 23 is too much for sure & I'm not squeamish about pressure.

And my bolt gun loads with that combo is 21.8 gr.

YMMV, of course, & there's always powder lot variance...........& you're shooting an ELD bullet, so post up the pics of your brass after you shoot it.

MM

23.3gr h4895 is max fo 223 service rifle data in hornady 10th edition. So 23.5 in a 223 Wylde chamber is fine. Hornady doesn’t have load data for the 73gr bullet and up for standard 223... Today I was getting 2676 FPS with my load of 23.5gr H4895. According Hodgdon their max load with H4895 and a 77 Sierra OTM is 22.6..

Yeah, at that velocity, pressure should be OK; thanks for the info.

MM

Unfortunately I tossed my brass i used i had it marked because primer pockets were loose. After this shoot on Saturday will snap pictures of the brass.

Hey J, what kind of accuracy are you getting with the load you plan on using Saturday?

Well, that's not a good sign unless they had several warm loadings on them? How many did they have?

Like I said, unless I just had lots of 4895 that I needed to use, it not high of my list of AR powders. I would never go buy that particular powder with the sole intent of loading AR's.

MM

cool your jets, I used this brass 5-6 times with other loads AR-comp, RL15, Varget, leverevolution you get the idea.. hell I used some once fired Winchester brass the other day, that had loose primer pockets.. I like H4895, guys out there love tac, cfe 223 I think it’s absolutely horrible.. AR-comp with this 73gr bullet on the high side of charge doesn’t get near the accuracy as h4895.