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Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
They kill birds too. Solar panels are better, but are better in the southwest US where it is mostly dry and doesn't rain as much. Plain states are good, however they kills the migratory birds. Nuclear power is the only real option we have for massive 24/7 power production. They are now making smaller, self contained, modular nuclear power plants that will not melt down, and don't need much water to cool down. Some use Thorium instead of Uranium or Plutonium. Thorium breaks down to safe levels after use in a short period of time vs a long time for the other two. Thorium is more plentiful and less radioactive. Thorium also cannot be made into bombs. Solar and wind do better for small scale homestead use, or supplemental use for suburbs.


I'm familiar with (PBMR) Pebble Bed Modular Reactors. I invested in Excelon when they secured the technology in early 2001. It made lots of sense at the time, but proved to be way ahead of public sentiment in the States.


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Just more subsidized greenie bull shidt like ethanol.

I'm for coal and nukes.

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Originally Posted by WYcoyote
Just more subsidized greenie bull shidt like ethanol.

I'm for coal and nukes.


This is the truth. So many installations were only economically viable when subsidized by Obama era stimulus in the form of the ARRA coupled with various state incentives.


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They’re eye pollution.

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Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Nuclear is cleaner and cheaper.



Exactamundo.And yeah, we don't know what to do with the waste, but you can run ALL of the country's energy needs with them and store the resultant waste in 10 acres...we can figure out what to do with it later. You don't have to mine for more stuff if you use breeder reactors .

Instead we strip mine, we build dams and screw up rivers, and we put those damn not-cost-effective turbines as eyesores on the land.

A lot of this country was built on cheap energy, and in nuclear power we have it handed to us on a silver platter...and refuse to take it...


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Got two on in laws pasture in north Oklahoma. Other than a visual eye sore, can’t say they bother any critters. Maybe some flying species get whacked, but I’m not there enough to know about that.


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Originally Posted by dale06
Got two on in laws pasture in north Oklahoma. Other than a visual eye sore, can’t say they bother any critters. Maybe some flying species get whacked, but I’m not there enough to know about that.


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My back ground is in power plant managment. For most areas in the country there would not be a single wind turbine built if not for subsidies. Places like parts of Texas and Wyoming are exceptions. The company I previously worked for lost money on every wind turbine they owned, but was forced into building them to meet renewable energy mandates.

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Anyone who has turbines is a gullible twit, or lives in a state governed by same.

Wind, like solar, can't provide reliable base load, it can only be supplemental until such time efficient and cost-effective, yet still effing HUGE banks of batteries become viable, and that last is a LONG way off.

Even worse, when it's 90 below and dark, and you really need the lights to come on -- the wind doesn't blow.

Even worse, if there ever is enough collective stupidity, and wind is "built out," I did some calculations and just to replace Colstrip would require covering the Dakotas and half of Montana with fans, and THAT was generous because I pretended the duty cycle would be consistent 24 hours a day, calm somewhere, blowing elsewhere, but even across four states, sometimes, everything is either off line, or spinning like crazy.

If the technology paid for itself and was viable in terms of duty cycle/output, I'd support it. But honestly, wind and solar are delusional wastes of resources.


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Originally Posted by 5sdad
Originally Posted by dale06
Got two on in laws pasture in north Oklahoma. Other than a visual eye sore, can’t say they bother any critters. Maybe some flying species get whacked, but I’m not there enough to know about that.


Wait! An actual reply to the original question!? Thank you!

Could be a first AND last!


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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
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Originally Posted by dale06
Got two on in laws pasture in north Oklahoma. Other than a visual eye sore, can’t say they bother any critters. Maybe some flying species get whacked, but I’m not there enough to know about that.


Wait! An actual reply to the original question!? Thank you!

Could be a first AND last!


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What drives me nuts, is the federal funds that get used for a fraudulent cause. They provide nothing. Vast majority have no cables running power anywhere worthwhile.


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There is quite a few of them in Eastern WA and most of the time when I drive past the turbines about half aren't running. Broke down, shut down? Seems pretty inefficient if they are supposed to be operating, despite being the eye-sore they are.

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They offered to lease my South Texas ranch. It was eight dollars an acre if I remember correctly. I was told windmills pay 5-15.000 a year depending on size.

I didn't go for it. They had a 40 page contract. My attorney said anybody who signed it had to be nuts. It was for 40 years and you basically gave them control of your property. Wasn't worth the eyesore to me.

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Originally Posted by Dave_Skinner
Anyone who has turbines is a gullible twit, or lives in a state governed by same.

Wind, like solar, can't provide reliable base load, it can only be supplemental until such time efficient and cost-effective, yet still effing HUGE banks of batteries become viable, and that last is a LONG way off.

Even worse, when it's 90 below and dark, and you really need the lights to come on -- the wind doesn't blow.

Even worse, if there ever is enough collective stupidity, and wind is "built out," I did some calculations and just to replace Colstrip would require covering the Dakotas and half of Montana with fans, and THAT was generous because I pretended the duty cycle would be consistent 24 hours a day, calm somewhere, blowing elsewhere, but even across four states, sometimes, everything is either off line, or spinning like crazy.

If the technology paid for itself and was viable in terms of duty cycle/output, I'd support it. But honestly, wind and solar are delusional wastes of resources.


Where is Captain Kurk when you need a good battery?


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Originally Posted by MtnBoomer
Originally Posted by 5sdad
Originally Posted by dale06
Got two on in laws pasture in north Oklahoma. Other than a visual eye sore, can’t say they bother any critters. Maybe some flying species get whacked, but I’m not there enough to know about that.


Wait! An actual reply to the original question!? Thank you!

Could be a first AND last!



What the hell is this? Am I on the wrong forum?

An actual reply to the original question has gotta be a thread killer for sure!


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I like em.

We have the place leased.


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Originally Posted by Cariboujack
.... Vast majority have no cables running power anywhere worthwhile.

Respectfully, can you please elaborate?


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The wind gen need batteries to store the power.

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