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I have been doing a lot of pistol load testing as part of helping one of my kids do a major science project. With some of the recent threads in this new forum, I thought I would begin posting some of the extensive results from all of our activities. I’m going to try and do each post by results for each different cartridge we tested. If I can get it all formatted and posted its pretty darn comprehensive across 9mm, 38 Special, 357 Mag, 40 S&W, 10mm, 44 Special, 44 Mag, and 45 Auto using a breadth of current production powders. Have some patience though as it may take me some days to get it all formatted and posted. Hopefully this will help to enrich this newer forum and help it to grow here.
Some of these will be in +P ranges so all disclaimers apply. Check and validate the data against known sources and work up at your own risk. Pressures are estimated only based off published sources, these are not lab tested specific pressures!
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Lets kick this off with a big group of 9mm Luger loads:
9mm Luger – Test Firearm – S&W M&P 9mm – 4.25" barrel
Bullet_______COAL___Powder______Primer__Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”__TiteGroup___CCI 500__3.5_____943_____970_____927____43___23___22,000
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”__TiteGroup___CCI 500__4.0____1044____1045____1044____1____1___26,300
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”__TiteGroup___CCI 500__4.5____1149____1174____1125____49___35___32,000___Hot +P
Bullet_______COAL___Powder__Primer__Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”__No. 2___CCI 500__4.0_____931_____962_____913____49___27___27,900
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”__No. 2___CCI 500__4.5____1011____1040_____990____50___26___32,400
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”__No. 2___CCI 500__5.0____1084____1097____1068____29___15___37,100
Bullet_______COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”__ZIP_____CCI 500__4.0_____876_____889_____860____29___15___28,363
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”__ZIP_____CCI 500__4.5____1003____1013_____992____21___11___33,722
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”__ZIP_____CCI 500__5.0____1094____1100____1089____11____5___38,000
Bullet_______COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”__HP-38__CCI 500__4.0_____896_____904_____886____18___10___20,839
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”__HP-38__CCI 500__4.5____1025____1037____1007____30___16___25,607
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”__HP-38__CCI 500__5.0____1116____1129____1090____39___23___32,000
Bullet_______COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_Unique____CCI 500__4.0_____863_____866_____860____6____4____22,400
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_Unique____CCI 500__4.5_____973_____974_____972____2____1___26,200
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_Unique____CCI 500__5.0_____1014____1029____1002___27___14___31,800
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_Unique____CCI 500__5.5_____1049____1063____1029___34___17___35,000___Slow?
Bullet_______COAL___Powder_____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_Power Pistol__CCI 500__5.0_____984_____994_____974____20___15___23,000
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_Power Pistol__CCI 500__5.5_____1051____1062____1038___24___12___27,000
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_Power Pistol__CCI 500__6.0_____1116____1124____1107___17___8____31,000
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_Power Pistol__CCI 500__6.5_____1170____1182____1162___20___11____35,000
Bullet_______COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_True Blue__CCI 500__5.5_____1010____1036____987___49___25___31,792
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_True Blue__CCI 500__6.0_____1087____1113___1071___42___23___34,523
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_True Blue__CCI 500__6.5_____1201____1223___1189___34___19___37,228
Bullet_______COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High_____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_No. 5_____CCI 500__6.0_____1058____1081____1035___46___33___30,373
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_No. 5_____CCI 500__6.5_____1115____1137____1100___37___20___34,544
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_No. 5_____CCI 500__7.0_____1193____1199____1184___15___11___38,125
Bullet_______COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_HS-6______CCI 500__6.0______974_____987____960___27___13___24,088
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_HS-6______CCI 500__6.5_____1067____1084___1044___40___21___25,976
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_HS-6______CCI 500__7.0_____1142____1148___1129___19___11___27,846
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_HS-6______CCI 500__7.5_____1253____1263___1244___19___10___29,698___Stout, too hot!
Bullet_______COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High_____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_No. 7_____CCI 500__7.5_____1129____1162____1098____64___32___32,000
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_No. 7_____CCI 500__8.0_____1180____1194____1168____26___13___35,000
HDY 124 XTP__1.125”_No. 7_____CCI 500__8.3_____1205____1211____1200____11____6___38,000___+P
Bullet______COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 125 TC__1.100”__No. 2___CCI 500__4.0_____1024____1042___1007____35___17___32,000
Lee 125 TC__1.100”__No. 2___CCI 500__4.5_____1092____1103___1071____32___18___35,900
Bullet______COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 125 TC__1.100”__ZIP_____CCI 500__4.0_____1002____1014____988____26___13___28,363
Lee 125 TC__1.100”__ZIP_____CCI 500__4.5_____1106____1131___1083____48___24___33,722
Lee 125 TC__1.100”__ZIP_____CCI 500__5.0_____1188____1210___1162____48___24___38,000
Bullet______COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
Lee 125 TC__1.100”__HP-38__CCI 500__4.0_____1008____1016____999____17____9___20,839
Lee 125 TC__1.100”__HP-38__CCI 500__4.5_____1101____1126___1076____50___35___25,607
Lee 125 TC__1.100”__HP-38__CCI 500__5.0_____1182____1185___1180_____5____3___32,000
Bullet_______COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.____Avg._____High___Low___ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 125 TC___1.100”__True Blue__CCI 500__5.0_____1017____1023___1001___22___11___27,400
Lee 125 TC___1.100”__True Blue__CCI 500__5.5_____1103____1123___1092___31___16___32,049
Lee 125 TC___1.100”__True Blue__CCI 500__6.0_____1181____1185___1176____9____5___37,176
Bullet_______COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.____Avg.____High____Low___ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 125 TC___1.100”__No. 5_____CCI 500__5.5_____1033____1049____1016___33___23___29,814
Lee 125 TC___1.100”__No. 5_____CCI 500__6.0_____1124____1136____1107___29___15___33,607
Lee 125 TC___1.100”__No. 5_____CCI 500__6.5_____1205____1222____1185___37___19___38,450
Bullet_______COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.____Avg.____High____Low___ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
Lee 125 TC___1.100”__HS-6_____CCI 500___5.5_____1011____1029_____985___44___24___22,183
Lee 125 TC___1.100”__HS-6_____CCI 500___6.0_____1099____1119____1087___32___17___24,088
Lee 125 TC___1.100”__HS-6_____CCI 500___6.5_____1191____1205____1165___40___23___25,976
Lee 125 TC___1.100”__HS-6_____CCI 500___7.0_____1255____1268____1245___23___12___27,846
Bullet________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 147 XTP__1.130”__True Blue__CCI 500__4.5_____850_____865____838____27___14____28,285
HDY 147 XTP__1.130”__True Blue__CCI 500__5.0_____973_____994____962____32___18____32,964
HDY 147 XTP__1.130”__True Blue__CCI 500__5.5____1084____1089___1079____10____5____38,033____Too hot
Bullet________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 147 XTP__1.130”__No. 5_____CCI 500___4.5_____818____890_____773__117___62___28,717____Re-test?
HDY 147 XTP__1.130”__No. 5_____CCI 500___5.0_____891_____894_____888____6____4___33,875
HDY 147 XTP__1.130”__No. 5_____CCI 500___5.5_____1030___1054____1009___45___23___38,378
Bullet________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
HDY 147 XTP__1.130”__HS-6______CCI 500__5.0______852_____874_____829____5___22____26,378
HDY 147 XTP__1.130”__HS-6______CCI 500__5.5______909_____912_____905____7____3____30,511
HDY 147 XTP__1.130”__HS-6______CCI 500__6.0_____1044____1053____1036___17____9____35,000___Fairly Hot
Bullet_________COAL___Powder____Primer__Chrg.____Avg.____High____Low___ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 147 FP__1.145”__True Blue__CCI 500__4.0______874____882_____866___16____9____27,211
Magma 147 FP__1.145”__True Blue__CCI 500__4.5______975_____979_____970____9____4____32,404
Magma 147 FP__1.145”__True Blue__CCI 500__5.0_____1040____1042____1037____5____3____38,111____Warm +P
Bullet_________COAL___Powder____Primer__Chrg.____Avg.____High____Low___ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 147 FP__1.145”__No. 5_____CCI 500__4.5______894_____904_____885___19___10___26,311
Magma 147 FP__1.145”__No. 5_____CCI 500__5.0______970_____980_____957___23___12___32,531
Magma 147 FP__1.145”__No. 5_____CCI 500__5.5_____1051____1073____1043___30___17___38,268
Bullet_________COAL___Powder____Primer__Chrg.____Avg.____High____Low___ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 147 FP__1.145”__No. 7_____CCI 500__6.0______964_____974_____954___20___10___29,000
Magma 147 FP__1.145”__No. 7_____CCI 500__6.5______1030____1049____1012__37___18___35,000
Magma 147 FP__1.145”__No. 7_____CCI 500__6.7_____1053____1062____1038___24___13___38,300
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Now for some 38 Special loads. Note that these do go into +P territory and all were test fired from a 357 mag chambered revolver.
38 Special – Test Firearm – S&W 686-5 (357 Mag) – 4" barrel
Note: Top loads are +P.
Bullet_______COAL___Powder_____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_TiteGroup____CCI 500__4.0_____873____886_____852____34___15___10,800
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_TiteGroup____CCI 500__4.5_____946____965_____938____27___11___14,300
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_TiteGroup____CCI 500__5.0____1031____1049____1014___35___15___18,700
Bullet_______COAL___Powder_____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_HP-38______CCI 500___4.5_____825____835_____818____17___9____14,500
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_HP-38______CCI 500___5.0_____901____936_____871____65___32___17,600
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_HP-38______CCI 500___5.5_____999____1027____969____58___30___20,500
Bullet_______COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_Unique____CCI 500__5.0_____743____758_____730____28___28___13,500
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_Unique____CCI 500__5.5_____908____954_____859____95___48___15,500___Big spread
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_Unique____CCI 500__6.0_____970____983_____955____28___14___17,500
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_Unique____CCI 500__6.5____1065____1100____1099___91____49__20,000___+P, Big spread
Bullet_______COAL___Powder_____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_Power Pistol__CCI 500__6.0_____937____949_____922____27___13___15,200
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_Power Pistol__CCI 500__6.5_____1019___1035____994____41___23___17,200
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_Power Pistol__CCI 500__7.0_____1092___1114____1077___37___19___19,500___+P
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_Power Pistol__CCI 500__7.5_____1152___1158____1144___14___7____21,800___+P+
Bullet_______COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_True Blue__CCI 500__6.0_____951____981 ___931___52___27___14,302
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_True Blue__CCI 500__6.5____1015___1029 __1002___27___14___16,453
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_True Blue__CCI 500__7.0____1078___1084 __1071___13____9___18,816___ Try 7.2 grs?
Bullet_______COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_No. 5_____CCI 500__7.0_____994____1006____975___31___16___15,993
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_No. 5_____CCI 500__7.5____1091____1103___1083___20___11___17,998
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_No. 5_____CCI 500__7.8____1130____1137___1122___15____8___19,278____Warm, +P
Bullet_______COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_HS-6______CCI 500__7.0____943____956____929___27___14____15,327
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_HS-6______CCI 500__7.5___1030___1038___1022___16____8____17,841
HDY 125 XTP__1.450”_HS-6______CCI 500__8.0___1119___1123___1115____8____4____20,675___Warm, Likely +P+
Bullet___________COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High____Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP__Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__TiteGroup___CCI 500__3.0_____688___711_____662____49___20___10,300__Mild
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__TiteGroup___CCI 500__3.5_____804___833_____775____58___20___13,400
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__TiteGroup___CCI 500__4.0_____871___880_____864____16___7____16,900__Consistant
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__TiteGroup___CCI 500__4.5_____942_____957_____944___13___9___20,980__+P
Bullet___________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__No. 2___CCI 500__3.5_____718_____721_____714_____7____4___12,500___Very Mild
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__No. 2___CCI 500__4.0_____797_____800_____790____10____5___14,100
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__No. 2___CCI 500__4.5_____869_____882_____856____26___13___17,400
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__No. 2___CCI 500__5.0_____931_____935_____927_____8____3___20,200
Bullet___________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__ZIP_____CCI 500__4.0_____762_____769_____748____21___12___15,448
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__ZIP_____CCI 500__4.5_____824_____833_____818____15____8___17,731
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__ZIP_____CCI 500__5.0_____888_____912_____869____43___22___20,100
Bullet___________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__HP-38__CCI 500___3.5_____694_____716_____672____44___22___13,685
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__HP-38__CCI 500___4.0_____790_____812_____770____42___21___16,003
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__HP-38__CCI 500___4.5_____855_____865_____848____17____9___18,421
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__HP-38__CCI 500___5.0_____945_____951_____939____12____6___20,943
Bullet___________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.PSI__Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__Unique____CCI 500__4.0____764_____825____724___101__40____9,900
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__Unique____CCI 500__4.5____864_____902____817___85___34____13,100
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__Unique____CCI 500__5.0____896_____924____835___89___39____16,900
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__Unique____CCI 500__5.5____970_____997____937___60___26____21,500___+P
Bullet___________COAL___Powder______Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD___Est.PSI__Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__Power Pistol__CCI 500__4.5____768_____778____761___17___9_____10,200
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__Power Pistol__CCI 500__5.0____844_____866____815___51___26____13,300
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__Power Pistol__CCI 500__5.5____903_____924____868___56___28____17,300
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__Power Pistol__CCI 500__6.0____967_____976____933___43___22____21,500___+P
Bullet___________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High__Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__True Blue__CCI 500__4.5____749____759___742___17____9____11,259
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__True Blue__CCI 500__5.0____821____837___808___29___15____13,460
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__True Blue__CCI 500__5.5____885____902___863___39___20____15,931
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__True Blue__CCI 500__6.0____960____961___958____3____2____18,700___Good +P Load
Bullet___________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__No. 5_____CCI 500__5.0____757____771_____736___35___19____12,270
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__No. 5_____CCI 500__5.5____835____849_____808___41___23____14,317
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__No. 5_____CCI 500__6.0____897____913_____878___35___18____16,567
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__No. 5_____CCI 500__6.5____981____988_____973___15____9____19,038___+P Load
Bullet___________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.CUP__Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__HS-6______CCI 500__6.0____848_____853____840___13____7____15,242
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__HS-6______CCI 500__6.5____938_____957____922___35___24____17,468
Magma 158 SWC__1.460”__HS-6______CCI 500__7.0____988_____1005___960___45___24____19,900
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Now some 357 Mag results:
357 Magnum – Test Firearm – S&W 686-5 – 4" barrel
Bullet___________COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High____Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__TiteGroup___CCI 500__4.5____911____923_____902____21___98___23,000
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__TiteGroup___CCI 500__5.0____979____986_____965____21___10___28,000
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__TiteGroup___CCI 500__5.5____1048___1050____1044____6____3___31,200
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__TiteGroup___CCI 500__6.0____1111___1119____1107___12____5___40,400___Leading
Bullet___________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 2___CCI 500__5.5_____947______966_____930____36___18___24,300
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 2___CCI 500__6.0_____1023____1028____1016____12____6___27,600
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 2___CCI 500__6.5_____1072____1075____1068_____7____4___31,200
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 2___CCI 500__7.0_____1119____1132____1107____25___13___35,000
Bullet___________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__ZIP_____CCI 500__5.5_____949_____995_____892___103___52___23,613
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__ZIP_____CCI 500__6.0_____1001____1020____1006___14____8___26,842
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__ZIP_____CCI 500__6.5_____1066____1091____1039___52___26___30,299
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__ZIP_____CCI 500__7.0_____1135____1151____1120___31___15___34,000
Bullet___________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__HP-38__CCI 500__5.0_____884______892____876____16____8___24,336
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__HP-38__CCI 500__5.5_____979______991____971____20___11___28,030
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__HP-38__CCI 500__6.0_____1041____1045____1037____8____4___32,018
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__HP-38__CCI 500__6.5_____1100____1107____1087___20___11___36,320
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__HP-38__CCI 500__7.0_____1153____1167____1131___36___19___40,955
Bullet___________COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.__Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.PSI__Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__Unique____CCI 500__5.5____955_____968____933___35___14___18,000
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__Unique____CCI 500__6.0____1015____1074___991___83___39___21,500
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__Unique____CCI 500__6.5____1052____1075___1025__50___20___25,000
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__Unique____CCI 500__7.0____1067____1081___1049__32___16___30,000
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__Unique____CCI 500__7.5____1139____1162___1119__43___22___35,000
Bullet___________COAL___Powder______Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.PSI__Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__Power Pistol__CCI 500__6.0____956_____961____950___11___5____17,800
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__Power Pistol__CCI 500__6.5____1021____1034___1017__17___9____21,000
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__Power Pistol__CCI 500__7.0____1089____1090___1087__3____2____24,800
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__Power Pistol__CCI 500__7.5____1124____1138___1123__15___8____29,000
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__Power Pistol__CCI 500__8.0____1168____1192___1132__60___32___33,800
Bullet___________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.PSI__Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__True Blue__CCI 500__7.5____1077____1092___1066__26___13___23,023
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__True Blue__CCI 500__8.0____1136____1148___1124__24___12___25,649
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__True Blue__CCI 500__8.5____1189____1208___1167__41___21___28,462
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__True Blue__CCI 500__9.0____1256____1275___1229__46___24___31,475
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__True Blue__CCI 500__9.5____1324____1331___1319__12____6___34,700____Mag Load
Bullet___________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.PSI__Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 5_____CCI 500__7.5_____994____1035___956___79___42____21,170
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 5_____CCI 500__8.0____1086____1093___1075__18____9____23,584
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 5_____CCI 500__8.5____1122____1123___1120___3____2____26,171___Consistent
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 5_____CCI 500__9.0____1205____1213___1192___21___11___31,475
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 5_____CCI 500__9.5___1247___1253___1241___12____6___31,907____Mag Load
Bullet___________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.CUP__Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__HS-6_____CCI 550___7.5_____902____911____888___23___12___24,303
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__HS-6_____CCI 550___8.0_____1039___1049___1022__27___15___28,000
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__HS-6_____CCI 550___8.5_____1110___1121___1096__25___13___32,134
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__HS-6_____CCI 550___9.0_____1170___1185___1162__23___12___36,750
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__HS-6_____CCI 550___9.5_____1232___1248___1216__32___16___41,900
Bullet___________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.PSI__Comment
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 7_____CCI 500__9.0_____1061___1089___1037__52___26____20,000
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 7_____CCI 500__9.5_____1102___1137___1058__79___40____22,800
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 7_____CCI 500__10.0____1187___1196___1182__14____8____26,000
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 7_____CCI 500__10.5____1257___1293___1221__72___36____29,500
Magma 158 SWC__1.585”__No. 7_____CCI 500__11.0____1309___1331___1289__42___22___35,000
Bullet_________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.____Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.PSI__Comment
165 WFN GC___1.585”__No. 9______CCI 550__12.0_____1202___1205___1199__6____3_____26,000
165 WFN GC___1.585”__No. 9______CCI 550__12.5_____1243___1260___1213__47___26____28,300
165 WFN GC___1.585”__No. 9______CCI 550__13.0_____1274___1292___1244__48___26____39,800
165 WFN GC___1.585”__No. 9______CCI 550__13.5_____1298___1308___1289__19___10____33,400
Bullet_________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.____Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.PSI__Comment
165 WFN GC___1.585”__2400______CCI 500__12.0_____1039___1076___1008__68___34____28,200
165 WFN GC___1.585”__2400______CCI 500__13.0_____1145___1159___1124__35___18____33,300
165 WFN GC___1.585”__2400______CCI 500__14.0_____1210___1219___1185__34___17____35,000
Bullet_________COAL___Powder_____Primer___Chrg.____Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.PSI__Comment
165 WFN GC___1.585”__Enforcer_____CCI 550__13.0_____1093___1120___1055__70___35____25,500
165 WFN GC___1.585”__Enforcer_____CCI 550__14.0_____1106___1135___1088__47___25____30,000
165 WFN GC___1.585”__Enforcer_____CCI 550__15.0_____1254___1266___1223__43___22____35,000
Bullet_________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.____Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.CUP__Comment
165 WFN GC___1.585”__H-110_____CCI 550__16.0_____1202___1237___1185__52___30____37,800
165 WFN GC___1.585”__H-110_____CCI 550__16.5_____1250___1266___1234__32___11____40,700
165 WFN GC___1.585”__H-110_____CCI 550__17.0_____1273___1281___1269__12___6_____43,800___Stout!
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Now for some 40 S&W results:
40 S&W – Test Firearm – S&W M&P 40 – 4.25" barrel
Bullet_________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High_____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 155 XTP___1.135”__ZIP_____CCI 500___5.0_____845______883_____822____61___33___25,304
HDY 155 XTP___1.135”__ZIP_____CCI 500___5.5_____899______915_____886____29___15___28,796
HDY 155 XTP___1.135”__ZIP_____CCI 500___6.0_____1011____1028_____994____34___17___32,500
Bullet_________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High_____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 155 XTP___1.135”__HP-38___CCI 500__5.0_____862______881_____824____57___32___22,900
HDY 155 XTP___1.135”__HP-38___CCI 500__5.5_____919______932_____908____24___13___27,604
HDY 155 XTP___1.135”__HP-38___CCI 500__6.0_____1021____1042____1007____35___18___33,000
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__True Blue__CCI 500__6.5______929_____931_____925____6____4___24,440
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__True Blue__CCI 500__7.0_____1009____1012____1005____7____4___27,489
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__True Blue__CCI 500__7.5_____1086____1103____1068___35___17___30,760
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__True Blue__CCI 500__8.0_____1161____1186____1141___45___23___34,269
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__No. 5_____CCI 500___6.5______835_____859____814____45___22___22,494
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__No. 5_____CCI 500___7.0______916_____955____881____74___37___25,300
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__No. 5_____CCI 500___7.5______984_____995____965____30___17___28,311
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__No. 5_____CCI 500___8.0_____1083____1086____1080____6____3___31,540
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__No. 5_____CCI 500___8.5_____1148____1153____1143___10____7___35,000
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__HS-6______CCI 500__7.5______933_____943_____923___20___14___25,008
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__HS-6______CCI 500__8.0_____1022____1045_____985___60___33___28,872
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__HS-6______CCI 500__8.5_____1086____1096____1071___25___13___33,202
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__HS-6______CCI 500__9.0_____1151____1166____1132___34___17___38,050
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__No. 7_____CCI 500___9.0______992____1029____967____62___33___25,000
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__No. 7_____CCI 500___9.5_____1072____1096____1044___52___26___28,000
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__No. 7_____CCI 500___10.0____1107____1126____1072___54___31___31,300
HDY 155 XTP__1.135”__No. 7_____CCI 500___10.5____1156____1176____1141___35___18___35,000
Bullet_________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High_____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 180 XTP___1.135”__ZIP_____CCI 500___4.0_____658______673____646_____27___13___26,157__Too Slow!
HDY 180 XTP___1.135”__ZIP_____CCI 500___4.5_____758______772____741_____31___15___30,443
HDY 180 XTP___1.135”__ZIP_____CCI 500___5.0_____864______877____843_____34___18___35,000
Bullet_________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High_____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 180 XTP___1.135”__HP-38___CCI 500__4.0_____680______684____674_____10____5___22,898___Too Slow!
HDY 180 XTP___1.135”__HP-38___CCI 500__4.5_____757______763____752_____11____8___27,618
HDY 180 XTP___1.135”__HP-38___CCI 500__5.0_____896______900____890_____10____5___33,000
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__True Blue__CCI 500__5.5______834_____837_____829____8____5____22,338
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__True Blue__CCI 500__6.0______899_____910_____884___26___14____25,451
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__True Blue__CCI 500__6.5______960_____986_____940___46___23____28,797
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__True Blue__CCI 500__7.0_____1036____1042____1031___11____6____32,390____Hot
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__No. 5_____CCI 500__6.0______804_____815_____793___22___15___24,082
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__No. 5_____CCI 500__6.5______875_____888_____865___23___12___27,433
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__No. 5_____CCI 500__7.0______963_____984_____949___35___18___31,066
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__No. 5_____CCI 500__7.5_____1029____1039____1021___18___10___35,000____Hot
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__HS-6______CCI 500__6.5______840_____849____827___22___11___29,068
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__HS-6______CCI 500__7.0______906_____926____896___30___17___33,401
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__HS-6______CCI 500__7.5______971_____978____965___13____7___38,183
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__No. 7_____CCI 500__7.5______831_____841_____820____21___10___25,400
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__No. 7_____CCI 500__8.0______918_____937_____900____37___18___28,900
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__No. 7_____CCI 500__8.5______984_____1006____949____57___29___32,600
HDY 180 XTP__1.135”__No. 7_____CCI 500__8.8_____1031____1047____1022____25___13___35,000___Warm
Bullet_________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High_____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 180 TC_____1.135”__No. 2___CCI 500__4.0_____831______834____830______4____3___27,300___Consistent
Lee 180 TC_____1.135”__No. 2___CCI 500__4.5_____909______919____895_____24___12___31,800
Bullet_________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High_____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 180 TC_____1.135”__ZIP_____CCI 500__4.0_____799______803____795______8____3___26,157
Lee 180 TC_____1.135”__ZIP_____CCI 500__4.5_____878______891____859_____32___17___30,500
Lee 180 TC_____1.135”__ZIP_____CCI 500__5.0_____964______974____946_____28___16___35,000
Bullet_________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High_____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 180 TC_____1.135”__HP-38__CCI 500__4.0_____780______794____771_____23___13___23,000
Lee 180 TC_____1.135”__HP-38__CCI 500__4.5_____887______904____873_____31___16___28,000
Lee 180 TC_____1.135”__HP-38__CCI 500__5.0_____936______949____918_____31___15___34,000
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 180 TC___1.120”__True Blue__CCI 500___5.0_____847_____850_____845____4____2____24,994
Lee 180 TC___1.120”__True Blue__CCI 500___5.5_____901_____905_____896____9____5____29,204
Lee 180 TC___1.120”__True Blue__CCI 500___6.0_____980_____982_____977____5____3____33,841
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 180 TC___1.120”__No. 5______CCI 500___5.5____834_____856_____822____34___19___24,689
Lee 180 TC___1.120”__No. 5______CCI 500___6.0_____892_____906_____876____30___15___28,609
Lee 180 TC___1.120”__No. 5______CCI 500___6.5_____977_____988_____961____27___14___32,922
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 180 TC___1.120”__HS-6______CCI 500___6.5_____923______942____902___40___21___29,068
Lee 180 TC___1.120”__HS-6______CCI 500___7.0_____987_____1016____962___54___27___33,401
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And some 10mm Auto results:
10mm Auto – Test Firearm – Glock 40 – 6" KKM Precision barrel
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.____Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__True Blue__CCI 300___8.5_____1259____1276____1242___34___24___26,100
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__True Blue__CCI 300___9.0_____1349____1363____1310___53___12___28,900
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__True Blue__CCI 300___9.5_____1399____1400____1397___3____1____31,800
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__True Blue__CCI 300___10.0____1457____1462____1454___8____4____35,000
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__No. 5_____CCI 300___8.5_____1160____1191____1126___65___33___25,000
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__No. 5_____CCI 300___9.0_____1232____1244____1212___32___17___28,200
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__No. 5_____CCI 300___9.5_____1293____1308____1270___38___20___31,600
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__No. 5_____CCI 300___10.0____1341____1371____1303___67___35___35,300
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__No. 7_____CCI 300___11.5____1326____1350____1305___45___23___30,600
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__No. 7_____CCI 300___12.0____1395____1407____1381___26___13___33,300
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__No. 7_____CCI 300___12.5____1430____1458____1393___65___33___36,300
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__No. 7_____CCI 300___12.7____1441____1454____1421___33___18___37,500
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__No. 9_____CCI 300___14.5____1393____1397____1390___7____4____26,400
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__No. 9_____CCI 300___15.0____1438____1445____1430___15___8____28,500
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__No. 9_____CCI 300___15.5____1461____1485____1446___39___20___30,800
HDY 155 XTP__1.250”__No. 9_____CCI 300___16.0____1496____1510____1487___23___12___33,200
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__True Blue__CCI 300__7.0_____1073____1077____1065____12___7____23,500
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__True Blue__CCI 300__7.5_____1139____1140____1138____2____1____26,800
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__True Blue__CCI 300__8.0_____1200____1207____1190____17___9____32,600
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__True Blue__CCI 300__8.5_____1253____1261____1244____17___9____34,200
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__No. 5_____CCI 300__7.0_____976______990_____948____42___24___24,100
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__No. 5_____CCI 300__7.5_____1043_____1055____1035___20___11___27,500
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__No. 5_____CCI 300__8.0_____1090_____1106____1062___44___25___31,100
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__No. 5_____CCI 300__8.5_____1163_____1176____1151___25___13___35,100
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High_____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__No. 7_____CCI 300__9.5_____1099____1106____1085____21___12___27,100
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__No. 7_____CCI 300__10.0____1191____1201____1180____21___15___30,200
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__No. 7_____CCI 300__10.5____1229____1259____1209____50___26___33,700
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__No. 7_____CCI 300__11.0____1289____1303____1277____26___14___37,500
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__No. 9_____CCI 300__12.0_____1189____1211____1163___48___24___25,300
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__No. 9_____CCI 300__12.5_____1236____1246____1219___27___15___28,000
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__No. 9_____CCI 300__13.0_____1271____1287____1252___35___18___30,900
HDY 180 XTP__1.250”__No. 9_____CCI 300__13.5_____1330____1335____1325___10__5____34,100
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__True Blue___CCI 300__7.0______1106____1122____1092___30___15___23,500
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__True Blue___CCI 300__7.5______1167____1178____1157___21___11___26,700
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__True Blue___CCI 300__8.0______1232____1234____1228___6____3____30,300
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__True Blue___CCI 300__8.5______1279____1282____1275___7____4____34,200
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__No. 5_____CCI 300__7.0______1000____1011____988____23___12___24,100
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__No. 5_____CCI 300__7.5______1060____1067____1051___16___8____27,500
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__No. 5_____CCI 300__8.0______1105____1115____1097___18___9____31,100
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__No. 5_____CCI 300__8.5______1158____1164____1152___12___6____35,100
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__No. 7_____CCI 300__9.5______1121____1149____1100___49___25___26,100
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__No. 7_____CCI 300__10.0_____1197____1226____1164___62___31___29,200
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__No. 7_____CCI 300__10.5_____1246____1284____1211___73___37___32,500
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__No. 7_____CCI 300__11.0_____1309____1314____1299___15___8____36,200
Bullet_______COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__No. 9_____CCI 300__12.0_____1195____1201____1190___11___6____27,700
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__No. 9_____CCI 300__12.5_____1208____1221____1194___27___14___30,100
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__No. 9_____CCI 300__13.0_____1290____1294____1286___8____4____32,700
Lee 180 TC___1.250”__No. 9_____CCI 300__13.5_____1303____1325____1286___39___20___35,500
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Now for some 44 Special results:
44 Special – Test Firearm – Ruger Bisley Blackhawk (44 Mag) – 5.5" barrel
Note: Some of these are higher than published data and these loads were fired in a 44 Magnum revolver. They worked OK for me, but you are own your own and must work up yourself.
Bullet___________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High____Low____ES___SD_____Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__No. 2___CCI 300__5.0____743____755_____728_____27___14____12,600
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__No. 2___CCI 300__5.5____797____799_____794_____5____3_____15,300
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__No. 2___CCI 300__6.0____832____840_____828_____16___8_____18,400
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__No. 2___CCI 300__6.5____894____901_____880_____21___12____22,000
Bullet___________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High____Low____ES___SD____Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__ZIP_____CCI 300__5.0_____723____738____710____28___14____11,500
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__ZIP_____CCI 300__5.5_____777____804____755____49___25____13,900
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__ZIP_____CCI 300__6.0_____853____859____849____10____6____16,700
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__ZIP_____CCI 300__6.5_____903____904____903_____1____1____20,000____Consistent
Bullet___________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High____Low____ES___SD____Est.CUP___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__HP-38__CCI 300___5.0_____740___749_____733____16____8____12,100
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__HP-38__CCI 300___5.5_____781___801_____768____33___17____14,900
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__HP-38__CCI 300___6.0_____840___847_____835____12____6____18,400
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__HP-38__CCI 300___6.5_____887___898_____876____22___11____22,000
Bullet___________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__Unique___CCI 300___6.0_____725____744____705____39___20__11,700
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__Unique___CCI 300___6.5_____779____792____756____36___18__14,100
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__Unique___CCI 300___7.0_____838____845____834____11___6___16,600
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__Unique___CCI 300___7.5_____903____929____883____46___24__19,300__Skeeter Load
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__Unique___CCI 300___8.0_____953____972____915____57___32__22,000___Warm
Bullet___________COAL___Powder_____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__Power Pistol_CCI 300___7.0_____833____837____831____6____3___10,500
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__Power Pistol_CCI 300___7.5_____879____890____868____22___12__12,300
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__Power Pistol_CCI 300___8.0_____944____945____941____4____3___14,300
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__Power Pistol_CCI 300___8.5_____996____1011___984____27___14__16,600
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__Power Pistol_CCI 300___9.0_____1060___1073___1049___24___12__20,000____Warm
Bullet___________COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__True Blue__CCI 300___6.5_____804____812____798____14____7___11,736
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__True Blue__CCI 300___7.0_____866____873____862____11____6___13,700
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__True Blue__CCI 300___7.5_____911____913____908____5_____3___15,911
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__True Blue__CCI 300___8.0_____958____959____953____6_____3___18,397
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__True Blue__CCI 300___8.5_____995____1000___988____12____6___21,189____Warm
Bullet___________COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__No. 5______CCI 300___7.0____780_____787___768____19___10___14,724
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__No. 5______CCI 300___7.5____832_____839___824____15____8___16,757
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__No. 5______CCI 300___8.0____872_____883___862____21___11___18,986
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__No. 5______CCI 300___8.5____923_____938___907____31___16___21,428
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__No. 5______CCI 300___9.0____964_____973___958____15____8___24,100____Warm
Bullet___________COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__HS-6______CCI 350___7.5_____789____809____765____44___22___10,902
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__HS-6______CCI 350___8.0_____846____853____836____17____9___13,035
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__HS-6______CCI 350___8.5_____891____898____888____10____5___15,524
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__HS-6______CCI 350___9.0_____958____963____950____13____7___18,425
Magma 240 SWC__1.480”__HS-6______CCI 350___9.5_____985____1003___971____32___16___21,800____Warm
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And now 44 Magnum results:
44 Magnum – Test Firearm – Ruger Bisley Blackhawk – 5.5" barrel
Bullet___________COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High____Low___ES___SD____Est.CUP___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__TiteGroup___CCI 300__6.0_____858____866____845__21____11___21,500
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__TiteGroup___CCI 300__7.0_____967____970____964___6____3____25,400
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__TiteGroup___CCI 300__8.0____1041___1043____1039___4___2____29,400
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__TiteGroup___CCI 300__9.0____1119___1134____1105__29___15___33,500
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__TiteGroup___CCI 300__10.0___1178___????____????___??___??____37,700__Too Hot
Bullet___________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High____Low____ES___SD____Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 2___CCI 300__7.0_____919____925____911____14____7_____19,400
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 2___CCI 300__8.0____1006___1021____996_____25___13____24,200
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 2___CCI 300__9.0____1067___1067____1056____11___6_____29,700
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 2___CCI 300__10.0___1132___1145____1124____21___11____36,000
Bullet___________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High____Low____ES___SD____Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__ZIP_____CCI 300__7.0_____910____921_____900____21___10___19,700
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__ZIP_____CCI 300__8.0____1004____1011_____997____14____7___24,500
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__ZIP_____CCI 300__9.0____1106____1113____1097____16____8___30,100
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__ZIP_____CCI 300__10.0____1175____1195____1155____40___20___35,000
Bullet___________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High____Low____ES___SD____Est.CUP___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__HP-38__CCI 300__6.0_____802_____815____788____27___19___16,200
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__HP-38__CCI 300__7.0_____918_____931____905____26___12___19,900
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__HP-38__CCI 300__8.0____1014____1020____1009____11____8___23,800
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__HP-38__CCI 300__9.0____1091____1094____1088____12____6___28,100
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__HP-38__CCI 300__10.0___1169____1174____1161____13____7___32,700
Bullet___________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High___Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__Unique___CCI 300___7.0____872____907____865____42___22___14,600
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__Unique___CCI 300___8.0____960____978____935____43___23___19,200
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__Unique___CCI 300___9.0____1040___1044___1035___9____4____25,000___Accurate
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__Unique___CCI 300___10.0___1106___1107___1104___3____1____31,900___Accurate
Bullet___________COAL___Powder______Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High___Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__Power Pistol__CCI 300___10.0___1092___1101___1084___17____8___16,200
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__Power Pistol__CCI 300___11.0___1180___1183___1175____8____4___20,600
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__Power Pistol__CCI 300___12.0___1271___1282___1262___20____10__25,900
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__Power Pistol__CCI 300___13.0___1336___1344___1331___13____7___32,300
Bullet___________COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__True Blue__CCI 300___9.0____1004____1010___996____14____7___18,110
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__True Blue__CCI 300___10.0___1089____1093___1083___10____5___21,371
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__True Blue__CCI 300___11.0___1177____1179___1175____4____2___24,966
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__True Blue__CCI 300___12.0___1238____1245___1231___14____8___28,925
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__True Blue__CCI 300___13.0___1310____1312___1308____4____2___33,279
Bullet___________COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 5______CCI 300__9.0_____926____935____920____15____8___16,050
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 5______CCI 300__10.0____1013___1024___995____29___17___19,453
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 5______CCI 300__11.0____1086___1087___1084____3____2___23,342
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 5______CCI 300__12.0____1172___1175___1169____6____4___27,776
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 5______CCI 300__13.0____1229___1239___1216___23___12___32,823
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 5______CCI 300__13.8____1290___1303___1281___22___11___35,600
Bullet___________COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__HS-6______CCI 350__10.0_____963____986____944____42___21___15,796
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__HS-6______CCI 350__11.0____1059____1070___1038___32___18___19,057
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__HS-6______CCI 350__12.0____1161____1173___1149___24___12___22,800
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__HS-6______CCI 350__13.0____1236____1247___1220___27___14___27,090
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__HS-6______CCI 350__14.0____1307____1314___1297___17____9___31,996
Bullet___________COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High___Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 7______CCI 300__14.0____1109___1171___1106___65___33___22,000
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 7______CCI 300__14.5____1156___1181___1144___37___19___24,300
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 7______CCI 300__15.0____1214___1278___1176___102__52___26,800
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 7______CCI 300__15.5____1279___1301___1260___41___21___29,600
Magma 240 SWC__1.600”__No. 7______CCI 300__16.0____1315___1316___1312___4____2____34,500
Bullet_________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.____Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.PSI__Comment
255 WFN GC___1.600”__No. 9______CCI 350__17.0_____1214___1217___1212__5____2_____22,000
255 WFN GC___1.600”__No. 9______CCI 350__18.0_____1305___1313___1297__16___8_____25,400
255 WFN GC___1.600”__No. 9______CCI 350__19.0_____1368___1369___1366__3____2_____29,200
255 WFN GC___1.600”__No. 9______CCI 350__20.0_____1426___1432___1414__18___10____34,500
Bullet_________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.____Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.PSI__Comment
255 WFN GC___1.600”__2400______CCI 300__16.0_____1096___1104___1084__20___10____18,300
255 WFN GC___1.600”__2400______CCI 300__18.0_____1180___1193___1158__35___19____24,500
255 WFN GC___1.600”__2400______CCI 300__20.0_____1267___1273___1261__12___6_____32,400
Bullet_________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.____Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.PSI__Comment
255 WFN GC___1.600”__Enforcer___CCI 350__19.0_____1179___1197___1160__37___20____22,300
255 WFN GC___1.600”__Enforcer___CCI 350__20.0_____1228___1237___1217__20___10____25,500
255 WFN GC___1.600”__Enforcer___CCI 350__21.0_____1285___1308___1254__54___28____29,300
255 WFN GC___1.600”__Enforcer___CCI 350__22.0_____1339___1345___1335__10___5_____33,400
255 WFN GC___1.600”__Enforcer___CCI 350__22.5_____1368___1382___1360__22___12____35,800
Bullet_________COAL___Powder___Primer___Chrg.____Avg.____High___Low___ES___SD____Est.CUP__Comment
255 WFN GC___1.600”__H-110_____CCI 350__23.0_____1287___1302___1272__31___15____25,200
255 WFN GC___1.600”__H-110_____CCI 350__23.5_____1330___1331___1329__2____1_____30,200
255 WFN GC___1.600”__H-110_____CCI 350__24.0_____1350___1365___1331__34___17____36,200
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And finally some 45 Auto Results:
45 Auto – Test Firearm – Glock 21 – 4.6" KKM Precision barrel
Note: The top loads listed here are clearly at the +P level, so work up to them at your own risk.
Bullet_______COAL____Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 200 XTP__1.240”__True Blue___CCI 300__8.5_____994_____1005____981____24___12___19,600
HDY 200 XTP__1.240”__True Blue___CCI 300__9.0_____1029____1036____1022___14___7____21,000
HDY 200 XTP__1.240”__True Blue___CCI 300__9.5_____1088____1114____1069___45___23___22,500____+P Load
Bullet_______COAL____Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 200 XTP__1.240”__No. 5______CCI 300__9.0______944_____963_____931____32___17___19,699
HDY 200 XTP__1.240”__No. 5______CCI 300__9.5______1017____1035____998____37___19___21,534
HDY 200 XTP__1.240”__No. 5______CCI 300__9.8______1050____1067____1033___34___18___22,685
Bullet_______COAL____Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 200 XTP__1.240”__No. 7______CCI 300___11.0____936_____952____921____31___16___18,800
HDY 200 XTP__1.240”__No. 7______CCI 300___11.5____1041____1079___1003___76___38___20,200
HDY 200 XTP__1.240”__No. 7______CCI 300___12.0____1092____1115___1058___57___30___21,600___+P
HDY 200 XTP__1.240”__No. 7______CCI 300___12.5____1116____1126___1107___19___10___23,000___+P
Bullet_________COAL___Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High____Low____ES___SD____Est.CUP__Comment
HDY 230 XTP___1.215”__TiteGroup___CCI 300___4.0_____754___764____743____21____11___14,000__Too slow
HDY 230 XTP___1.215”__TiteGroup___CCI 300___4.5_____814___816____812____4_____2___19,000
HDY 230 XTP___1.215”__TiteGroup___CCI 300___5.0_____875___899____856____43___22___17,600___Maybe +P
Bullet_________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.___High____Low____ES___SD____Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 230 XTP___1.215”__ZIP_____CCI 300___5.0_____685___691_____677_____14____7___15,600____Too slow
HDY 230 XTP___1.215”__ZIP_____CCI 300___5.5_____788___798_____781_____17____9___19,000
HDY 230 XTP___1.215”__ZIP_____CCI 300___6.0_____863___876_____847_____29___14___22,900
Bullet_________COAL___Powder_Primer____Chrg.___Avg.___High____Low____ES___SD____Est.CUP___Comment
HDY 230 XTP___1.215”__HP-38___CCI 300___5.0_____731____753____702_____51___25___16,200
HDY 230 XTP___1.215”__HP-38___CCI 300___5.5_____802____808____796_____12____6___17,700
HDY 230 XTP___1.215”__HP-38___CCI 300___6.0_____869____883____859_____24___12___19,100
Bullet_______COAL____Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 230 XTP__1.240”__True Blue___CCI 300__7.0_____810_____820_____804____16____8____17,900
HDY 230 XTP__1.240”__True Blue___CCI 300__7.5_____857_____860_____852_____8____4____20,300
HDY 230 XTP__1.240”__True Blue___CCI 300__8.0_____926_____936_____916____20____10___22,900____+P Load
Bullet_______COAL____Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 230 XTP__1.215”__No. 5______CCI 300__7.5_____812_____816_____809_____7____5____17,870
HDY 230 XTP__1.215”__No. 5______CCI 300__8.0_____862_____869_____856____13____9____19,843
HDY 230 XTP__1.215”__No. 5______CCI 300__8.5_____929_____934_____922____12____7____21,947___+P Load
Bullet_______COAL____Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
HDY 230 XTP__1.215”__HS-6_______CCI 300__8.0_____842_____867_____814____53___26____14,485
HDY 230 XTP__1.215”__HS-6_______CCI 300__8.5_____888_____897_____879____18____8____16,348
HDY 230 XTP__1.215”__HS-6_______CCI 300__9.0_____935_____944_____922____22___12____18,386____+P Load
Bullet_______COAL____Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
HDY 230 XTP__1.240”__No. 7______CCI 300___9.5_____820_____836_____804____32___17___16,300
HDY 230 XTP__1.240”__No. 7______CCI 300___10.0____856_____861_____847____14____7___18,400
HDY 230 XTP__1.240”__No. 7______CCI 300___10.5____936_____954_____922____32___16____20,000
HDY 230 XTP__1.240”__No. 7______CCI 300___11.0____957_____961_____949____12____6____23,000___+P Load
Bullet________COAL___Powder_____Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High____Low____ES___SD____Est.CUP___Comment
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__TiteGroup___CCI 300__4.0_____728_____748____707_____41___14___12,500
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__TiteGroup___CCI 300__4.5_____815_____833____797_____37___12___15,200
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__TiteGroup___CCI 300__5.0_____874_____892____860_____32___10___18,300
Bullet________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High_____Low____ES___SD____Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__No. 2___CCI 300__4.5_____759_____770_____748_____22___11___16,000
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__No. 2___CCI 300__5.0_____835_____837_____832______5____3___18,700
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__No. 2___CCI 300__5.5_____882_____890_____873_____17____9___21,600
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__No. 2___CCI 300__6.0_____934_____935_____933______2____3___23,900____+P Load
Bullet________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High_____Low____ES___SD____Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__ZIP_____CCI 300__5.0_____745_____761_____737_____24___13___15,600
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__ZIP_____CCI 300__5.5_____829_____834_____822_____12____6___19,000____Great Load
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__ZIP_____CCI 300__6.0_____896_____899_____894______5____3___22,900____+P Load
Bullet________COAL___Powder_Primer___Chrg.___Avg.____High_____Low____ES___SD____Est.CUP___Comment
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__HP-38__CCI 300__4.5_____706_____717_____687_____30___16___14,700
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__HP-38__CCI 300__5.0_____771_____790_____760_____30___15___16,200
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__HP-38__CCI 300__5.5_____826_____839_____817_____22___11___17,700
Lee 230 TC____1.200”__HP-38__CCI 300__6.0_____887_____891_____873_____18____9___19,100
Bullet_______COAL____Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD____Est.CUP___Comment
Lee 230 TC___1.200”___Unique____CCI 300___5.0_____686_____719_____667____52___23____10,800
Lee 230 TC___1.200”___Unique____CCI 300___5.5_____761_____789_____744____45___20____13,300
Lee 230 TC___1.200”___Unique____CCI 300___6.0_____836_____858_____807____51___26____16,300
Lee 230 TC___1.200”___Unique____CCI 300___6.5_____943_____948_____938____10___8_____20,000___Warm
Bullet_______COAL____Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD____Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 230 TC___1.220”___True Blue__CCI 300___6.5_____805_____808_____801_____7____3____15,400
Lee 230 TC___1.220”___True Blue__CCI 300___7.0_____850_____867_____833____34___17____17,600
Lee 230 TC___1.220”___True Blue__CCI 300___7.5_____909_____916_____903____13____7____20,000
Lee 230 TC___1.220”___True Blue__CCI 300___8.0_____957_____961_____949____12____6____22,600___+P Load
Bullet_______COAL____Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 230 TC___1.200”___No. 5______CCI 300___7.0_____823_____834_____807____27___15____16,100
Lee 230 TC___1.200”___No. 5______CCI 300___7.5_____870_____874_____866_____8____4____17,930
Lee 230 TC___1.200”___No. 5______CCI 300___8.0_____924_____932_____913____19___10____19,879
Lee 230 TC___1.200”___No. 5______CCI 300___8.5_____962_____970_____950____20___11____21,953__+P Load
Bullet_______COAL____Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.CUP___Comment
Lee 230 TC___1.200”___HS-6______CCI 300___7.5_____809_____818_____802____16_____8____12,784
Lee 230 TC___1.200”___HS-6______CCI 300___8.0_____881_____898_____857____41____22____14,485
Lee 230 TC___1.200”___HS-6______CCI 300___8.5_____935_____946_____927____19_____9____16,348
Lee 230 TC___1.200”___HS-6______CCI 300___9.0_____969_____971_____966_____5_____3____18,386____+P Load
Bullet_______COAL____Powder____Primer___Chrg.___Avg._____High____Low____ES___SD___Est.PSI___Comment
Lee 230 TC___1.220”___No. 7______CCI 300___9.5_____817_____825_____813____12___6____13,800
Lee 230 TC___1.220”___No. 7______CCI 300___10.0____896_____906_____889____17___10___15,500
Lee 230 TC___1.220”___No. 7______CCI 300___10.5____955_____999_____930____69___39____19,879__Spread?
Lee 230 TC___1.220”___No. 7______CCI 300___11.0____986_____1003____977____26___15____23,000__+P
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How many shots were fired for each SD estimate?
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Good question, these were for 5 shot strings. I wish I could have done 10 shot strings, but didn't due to time and cost. This was a lot of effort as it was.
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This was a lot of effort as it was.
Mark in GA No kidding! Thanks for sharing!
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Mark,
How are you estimating the pressures?
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Mark,
How are you estimating the pressures? It’s based off the various data sources that I used which listed the actual tested pressure that was measured by the powder company. Note that some of my numbers indicate CUP and some PSI. That’s dependent of which system the powder company used that provided the data I was starting from. My numbers on pressure could be close or way off. No way to know w/o a strain gauge and pressure equipment. At best that part is a semi-educated guess mathematically based on the powder companies published data and what my chrono was telling me. If you need me to show you any of the math behind it I can show an example. Just remember this pressure result is only a guess/estimate, not an actual measured result. Many factors contribute to pressure. But as our very own John Barsness has taught us, the chrono can tell you a lot and there is NO free lunch. Does that help? Mark in GA
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Are the velocities actual measured results, or are they guestimates like the pressures?
I recommend you put this info in a blog and then simply post a link to it.
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All velocities are actual measured results at 10 ft in front of the muzzle. Only the pressures are estimates.
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Thanks for all your efforts. Be Well, Rustyzipper.
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Thanks for your efforts.
Nice work on the 255 with H110 23.5gn.
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Good work. Thanks for all that data.
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