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Thanks Pugs! I seem to remember that Billy Dixon had his resended for his action at 2nd Battle of Adobe Walls. I didn’t know for sure and don’t have time this morning to really look into it.
I also believe it was about this same time that Congress also changed things and made officers eligible for the MOH.
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You either own it or you don’t. If you own it, you can assign whatever value you want to it and sell it. So every political office including POTUS, SCOTUS, State Govt offices and military officer position should be offered to the highest bidder then If the political office was a piece of ribbon and a small hunk of metal you could put in your pocket, then, “sure”. If not, I don’t think your analogy makes any sense. There are those of us that don't just see a "piece of ribbon and a small hunk of metal". Doesn’t really matter what you see. What matters is what the guy who owns it sees. Well, at least that’s the way is supposed to work for those who aren’t communists. Not in the US where it will cost you $100 000. did you just put a price on a MOH?
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You either own it or you don't.
If you own it, you have the right to sell it.
Any other opinion is right out of Mao's little red book. then the medal of honor has no value and means nothing but you never served in combat so would never understand Would the German auction house sell a jewish human skull from auschwitz or JFK's blood stained suit from his assassination ? All of that's beside the point. If someone owns it and wants to sell it, it's nobody's business. Well Congress created it...and did so for a reason... They also made a law against it being sold, and did so for a reason.. and assigned a hefty fine for selling one.. for a reason.. so maybe you should be voicing your displeasure over that law that was passed forbidding it being sold, to your Senator and Congressman, or maybe even President Trump, and have them change the laws over it being sell-able... otherwise anyone's opinion about it should be able to be sold, really doesn't matter.. Those that have served respect what the CMH means and represents.. so that is why they are inclined to agree to the law passed banning the sell of one... Again Congress passed that law for a reason, as they created the Medal for a Reason during the Civil War...160 plus years ago..
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You either own it or you don’t. If you own it, you can assign whatever value you want to it and sell it. So every political office including POTUS, SCOTUS, State Govt offices and military officer position should be offered to the highest bidder then And they are..... You own it, it's yours to sell. Should it be sold? No. I think I got me a sore crotch on this one.... Plus, it is only illegal to sell it in the US.
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Might as well sell our national parks too to the highest bidder and how about Arlington cemetery ? some prime realestate there lol
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Not in the US where it will cost you $100 000.
did you just put a price on a MOH? listed the fine.
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The person who owns it wants to sell it.
The person with $15,500 wants to buy it.
It's nobody else's business. A person is awarded the MOH. They are not "given" it. They are a "recipient" of the MOH. A grateful nation, is still the owner. IOW, they hold the MOH during their capacity to do so. They are treated like royalty, as they should be, so their family is not intruded upon to return the award after their death. The family is, and should be, able to keep and descend the MOH as they see fit. But the MOH is still the property of the entity awarding it, a grateful nation. Selling an award for incredible valor is, and should be discouraged, as it is, by law.
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If the owner has so little respect for all honor surrounding the award, why ban someone who does from being its caretaker?
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You are not allowed to sell this... in the United States. American auctions happily sell military medals from other countries. And Nobel prizes, and Olympic medals. I don't see how they can stop this guy's auction in Germany from selling it. And indeed they didn't. Bernhard Pacher, the managing director of Hermann Historica, noted the law doesn’t apply to him since he is not in the U.S.
“There’s nothing morally bad in selling a medal, even if it’s pointed out to me that it’s illegal in the U.S., because I’m not in the U.S.,” Pacher told Stars and Stripes.
“In general, there’s way less emotion here towards objects of historical value than there is in the United States,” he said.
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(and if Ted Cruz really wanted it home in America, he should have made a bid)
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The recipient is loooong dead - 100 years dead - so it was obviously not awarded to the seller. No family member who even knew Pvt. Thomas Kelly is alive. Should it be illegal for that owner to possess it? What does it matter if he inherited it, found it, or bought it? He or she didn't earn , yet they still possess it. Should it be relegated to a junk drawer in some niece's house who never knew and doesn't give two shiites about Pvt. Thomas Kelly? Should the recipient be mandated to wear it in the grave? The medal is a symbol of the honor, not the honor itself.
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