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Just wait for the labs to come back.

What i saw on video was a guy on something or having a hard time living.

He did not look to good.

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Here is the sentence taken out of the article on the charging of Derek Chauvin:


The criminal complaint, citing the autopsy, pointed out that Floyd did not die from strangulation but a combination of being restrained along with various underlying medical conditions including heart disease and hypertension.


That is a preliminary finding, not the official report. There is more work to be done.



Those things certainly aggravated it, but they could easily been mitigated by sitting him up or even adding an extra set of cuffs to lessen the strain.


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What if he was on illegal drugs and that was a factor in his death. The officer won’t be convicted. You think the natives are going nuts now??

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Remember that the cause of death is not dispositive. An officer is responsible to summon medical aid for a person in his custody if it is apparent or would be apparent to a prudent police officer that his prisoner needs medical aid. A negligence standard which is appropriate for a manslaughter charge. But that's speculation which is fun but worth spit.


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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard

That is a preliminary finding, not the official report. There is more work to be done.


Very likely that it will get significantly massaged before it is released as final....................just sayin'.

It'll be politically correct when it's done.

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The final report will say what someone in a high place wants said.


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The final report will say what someone in a high place wants said.




Nonsense. The report is generated by a forensic pathologist who knows she will be subject to cross-examination and intense professional scrutiny. Additionally, her reputation and future utility as an expert witness will be at stake. She will make her conclusion as empirically valid as possible.


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Originally Posted by hanco
What if he was on illegal drugs and that was a factor in his death. The officer won’t be convicted. You think the natives are going nuts now??


They’ll probably convict him regardless of the results.
To appease the natives.

That Cop will get the shaft regardless of the autopsy results.


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
The final report will say what someone in a high place wants said.




Not true. The report is generated by a forensic pathologist who knows she will be subject to cross-examination at trial and intense professional scrutiny by her peers. Additionally, her reputation and future utility as an expert witness will be at stake. She will make her conclusion as empirically valid as she possibly can.


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Originally Posted by plainsman456
Just wait for the labs to come back.

What i saw on video was a guy on something or having a hard time living.

He did not look to good.


I'm no expert but i did notice the way Floyds feet didn't seem to be working very well when the officer walked him around the back of the car and up onto the sidewalk .

AND when he was laying over away from the officer when he was sat against the wall i thought he was preparing to kick at the officer .


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Originally Posted by chlinstructor
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What if he was on illegal drugs and that was a factor in his death. The officer won’t be convicted. You think the natives are going nuts now??


They’ll probably convict him regardless of the results.
To appease the natives.

That Cop will get the shaft regardless of the autopsy results.



Well, its hard to see why he is not guilty of 3rd degree murder when you look at the elements of the crime under Minnesota law.


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Also - think that getting the info. out ASAP and not all in one big announcement is good , release what you find when you find it . Transparency in a time like this is crucial - not saying everything is on the up & up - but hale - what do i know .


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Originally Posted by Tarquin
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What if he was on illegal drugs and that was a factor in his death. The officer won’t be convicted. You think the natives are going nuts now??


They’ll probably convict him regardless of the results.
To appease the natives.

That Cop will get the shaft regardless of the autopsy results.



Well, its hard to see why he is not guilty of 3rd degree murder when you look at the elements of the crime under Minnesota law.


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Originally Posted by chlinstructor
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Originally Posted by chlinstructor
Originally Posted by hanco
What if he was on illegal drugs and that was a factor in his death. The officer won’t be convicted. You think the natives are going nuts now??


They’ll probably convict him regardless of the results.
To appease the natives.

That Cop will get the shaft regardless of the autopsy results.



Well, its hard to see why he is not guilty of 3rd degree murder when you look at the elements of the crime under Minnesota law.


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Prove it. If what I said is bullshit, then it should be easy to prove me wrong, so have at it. A good place to start would be a look at the elements of 3rd degree murder in Minnesota. Do you even have a clue as to what those are?

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If your a druggie with heart problems and resist arrest, you get what you get. Should have put his hands behind his back and stopped resisting. He played the game, he lost.

They scream “ I can’t breath “ all the time. Kinda like crying wolf. If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.

He’s as responsible as the cop for his death.


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Epstien died of suicide........ wink


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Originally Posted by chlinstructor
If your a druggie with heart problems and resist arrest, you get what you get. Should have put his hands behind his back and stopped resisting. He played the game, he lost.

They scream “ I can’t breath “ all the time. Kinda like crying wolf. If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.

He’s as responsible as the cop for his death.



And exactly where are the above "legal principles" found in the Minnesota criminal code? You actually think the jury is going to be given anythng remotely similar to your rant as a "jury instruction"? You think the defense attorneys are going to be allowed to argue that? The law is the law, whether you like it or not and the fact that you have to pull stuff out of your own ass rather than ground your argument in actual Minnesota law, shows you're way out of your league. Again, if my position is bullshit, prove it using Minnesota criminal law, specifically the law of 3rd degree murder. Go ahead Johnny Cochran. Knock yourself out! laugh laugh laugh

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Originally Posted by nighthawk
Remember that the cause of death is not dispositive. An officer is responsible to summon medical aid for a person in his custody if it is apparent or would be apparent to a prudent police officer that his prisoner needs medical aid. A negligence standard which is appropriate for a manslaughter charge. But that's speculation which is fun but worth spit.

They had already called for an ambulance when they first had him on the ground.


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Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by chlinstructor
If your a druggie with heart problems and resist arrest, you get what you get. Should have put his hands behind his back and stopped resisting. He played the game, he lost.

They scream “ I can’t breath “ all the time. Kinda like crying wolf. If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.

He’s as responsible as the cop for his death.



And exactly where are the above "legal principles" found in the Minnesota criminal code? You actually think the jury is going to be given anythng remotely similar to your rant as a "jury instruction"? You think the defense attorneys are going to be allowed to argue that? The law is the law, whether you like it or not and the fact that you have to pull stuff out of your own ass rather than ground your argument in actual Minnesota law, shows you're way out of your league. Again, if my position is bullshit, prove it using Minnesota criminal law, specifically the law of 3rd degree murder. Go ahead Johnny Cochran. Knock yourself out! laugh laugh laugh


And I believe Cochran got ole OJ acquitted. Even A dumbass Libertard Troll like you should be able to grasp that concept.


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Originally Posted by irfubar
Epstien died of suicide........ wink


Yep. The autopsy “proved” it. 😜

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