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I've got one and it shoots as well as any bolt gun I own.
I shot a 3 3/4 inch,5 shot group at 100yds with the first 3 under an inch.
This rifle shoots like a house afire...
I just ordered a set of sites from Swiss Products out of Kalispel Montana.
Anyone buy sites from these folks?


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No but this is one of my bucket list items. Be Well, Rustyzipper.


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when i was about 15-16 these could be had for 40-50 bucks converted to 308. i have had several over the years and wonder now why i don't have one. fine weapon even if they are noisy as all get out ! about as smooth a bolt as a Krag . did i mention noisy? grin


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I bought a K31 from the late Mark Benenson in 1998. It is a good shooting rifle, but I can see where it could easily turn into a money pit if you want to upgrade the sights.

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I never had any problem shooting small groups with the issue sights on the K31 I owned for several years, whether with military Swiss ammo or handloads, but that may have been an exceptional rifle.


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Originally Posted by deerstalker
when i was about 15-16 these could be had for 40-50 bucks converted to 308.


That would be making a sow's ear out of a silk purse.

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I love my K31. Amazingly accurate rifle as far as I'm concerned. I was gifted a very nice one from a family member. I have never been able to find one in the wild that had a stock that wasn't beat to hell.


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Originally Posted by WTF
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when i was about 15-16 these could be had for 40-50 bucks converted to 308.


That would be making a sow's ear out of a silk purse.



true that! but that's what most were. you could get 7.62nato on the hardware isle of the local market but 7.5 swiss was a rare commodity .
have wondered lately why i don't have one in my collection. the first one i had, my late sister in law tried to shoot my oldest brother with. he bent the barrel into a horseshoe shape and gave it to me. lugged it around for years before i rebarreled it. seams like i traded it for a shotgun about 50 years ago


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The first one I shot belonged to one of the old guys at the hunting camp. He'd spent some time in Switzerland with a host family when he was a college student. He got a chance to shoot one, and thought it was a cool rifle. When they started coming in as surplus, he bought himself a nice one for $150. Fed surplus ball, it put 5 shots into 2" or less at 100 yds with boring regularity. Mine does the same, something that couldn't be said for the Yugo SKS I traded for it.

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Originally Posted by deerstalker
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when i was about 15-16 these could be had for 40-50 bucks converted to 308.


That would be making a sow's ear out of a silk purse.



true that! but that's what most were. you could get 7.62nato on the hardware isle of the local market but 7.5 swiss was a rare commodity .
have wondered lately why i don't have one in my collection. the first one i had, my late sister in law tried to shoot my oldest brother with. he bent the barrel into a horseshoe shape and gave it to me. lugged it around for years before i rebarreled it. seams like i traded it for a shotgun about 50 years ago


I have seen S-R 1911s converted to 308, but not K31s.

Larry Racine used to, may still, convert K31s to 308, www.lprgunsmith.com

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when they first started coming in, you could get them from century with a c&r for 69bucks.
i mounted a side mount scope on one, it regularly can hol below an inch at 100yards.
i have a couple of german mags, where they wer mounting optics on them and selling them in south america as sniper weapons.
the swiss ammo in my opinion is match grade.
the stocks are a result of hob nail boots, snow, and the black grease hey used for lubing and cleaning them.
one of the better surplus rifles that ever showed up here.


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Originally Posted by BrotherBart
I've got one and it shoots as well as any bolt gun I own.
I shot a 3 3/4 inch,5 shot group at 100yds with the first 3 under an inch.
This rifle shoots like a house afire...
I just ordered a set of sites from Swiss Products out of Kalispel Montana.
Anyone buy sites from these folks?

Is that with factory ammo or handloads? Im wondering if the barrel is toast? A buddy of mine shoots one, and with factory ammo, he shoots less than 2" 10 shot groups at 100


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.

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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter

Is that with factory ammo or handloads? Im wondering if the barrel is toast? A buddy of mine shoots one, and with factory ammo, he shoots less than 2" 10 shot groups at 100

That was with handloads. 165 Gamekings over 49grs of AA2700.
The barrel is an honest 99% and it has the best stock I've ever seen on one. I couldn't believe the condition of the rifle when I found it. The only thing is the piece of paper that the Swiss soldiers placed under the buttplate is unreadable. He wrote his name in pencil and it's just faded away over the years. It's a 98% rifle. Best I've ever seen. That's why I couldn't walk away from it.


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Originally Posted by BrotherBart
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Is that with factory ammo or handloads? Im wondering if the barrel is toast? A buddy of mine shoots one, and with factory ammo, he shoots less than 2" 10 shot groups at 100

That was with handloads. 165 Gamekings over 49grs of AA2700.
The barrel is an honest 99% and it has the best stock I've ever seen on one. I couldn't believe the condition of the rifle when I found it. The only thing is the piece of paper that the Swiss soldiers placed under the buttplate is unreadable. He wrote his name in pencil and it's just faded away over the years. It's a 98% rifle. Best I've ever seen. That's why I couldn't walk away from it.



Sounds like a damn nice rifle. I'll be shooting against my buddy tomorrow. He uses the K31 I mentioned in the last post. That rifle is amazingly accurate. Like someone else said, that factory ammo must be "match grade".. He's the only one that I need to pay attention to tomorrow because that rifle shoots lights out. When he brings his A game, the guys coming from Portland and Vancouver, with their tricked out CMP m1 Garrands, go away with their tails between their legs.


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.

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I have abunch of the Swiss GP-11 ammo and it shoots pretty good.
I guess you could say it's "match ammo". It doesn't deviate much
in velocities. Not much at all. 30 fps is normal with my old Chrony.
I like this rifle more than any other milsurp I have. Even better than
my National Match Garand.


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I've mentioned this before, there is a Military Bolt Action Rifle match every month at my range. I'm told the Swiss and the Swedes are the top contenders every time. (rifles have to unaltered, but apparently there are no restrictions on ammunition)


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I like My K-31 better than I do my Swede. Shoots better.


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Originally Posted by Son_of_the_Gael
I've mentioned this before, there is a Military Bolt Action Rifle match every month at my range. I'm told the Swiss and the Swedes are the top contenders every time. (rifles have to unaltered, but apparently there are no restrictions on ammunition)

No restrictions on ammo? Damn, that would be nice. At my club, the president says it has to be lead tipped or ball ammo . No poly tipped or match bullets. I used 129gr hornady interlocks and averaged 95 4x. My matchgrade ammo shoots better, but i couldnt use it. My buddy with the k31 fell apart. He still beat the city slickers. Even though they brought some damn nice equipment. For example: Johnson M1941 and Lee Enfield L42A1. There were a few "sniper" rifles, but none could touch the swedes scores.


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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BSA, yes that is my understanding. I haven't tried it as my eyes have made using irons hopeless, I'm praying that cataract surgery will fix that, if it does I'll give it a try.
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Originally Posted by Son_of_the_Gael
BSA, yes that is my understanding. I haven't tried it as my eyes have made using irons hopeless, I'm praying that cataract surgery will fix that, if it does I'll give it a try.
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Sorry to hear about your eyes. My left eye is like that, damn near worthless with irons, especially with a diopter sight. Good luck with your surgery!! I have been having a great time shooting right handed with my irons lately.. Its like re-learning to shoot again though..


Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.

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