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The border will be open for fall huntin season? Starting to get a little nervous, on the fence buying Idaho tags for plan b.

Only a part time Canadian here. I asked a friend to buy some flower plants for my wife''s flower pots.

I keep hoping! The duty free shops must be doing little sales.

Judman;
Top of the morning to you sir, I hope the day's looking promising for you all and this finds you well.

Honestly sir, I'd opine that if anyone gives you a firm answer they're guessing as much as the next guy.

Had a guy in the auto parts store say to me the other day he thought it'd be a miracle if we see another Federal election here - so that's where some of us are for reference.

As I've mentioned in another thread that wabigoon had running, for us here in BC the tourist trade as a whole is worth $20.5 Billion annually the last time they counted it up.

Without sounding too despondent, this is absolutely the worst disaster I've seen in my lifetime. I'd go so far as to say it's worse than anything I could have imagined, you know?

Anyways sir, while I'm loathe to post in a less than positive vein, that's where I'm at this morning.

It hopefully goes without saying I hope and pray the borders will be open and that folks will still want to come up here, but at this point I have no concept of what's next.

Sorry about that sir, do stay well.

Dwayne

Thanks Dwayne, I agree it’s bad. Talked to a pard in Kauai couple nights ago, as you know they rely heavily on tourism too, they’re hurtin bad. We usually got our annual trip booked by now, but decided against it, as they have a mandatory 14 day quarantine in effect. Strange times for sure...

I have mentioned elsewhere, the tourism slump has not hurt us to any great extent. I doubt this is because I am particularly astute but for this year, anyway, we are just fine and I'm spending money on improvements. Next year, if the social climate doesn't improve, it may be another story. When all the stimulus and support money dries up, many may start to feel the pinch.
The border closure, along with other restrictions, killed our shooting season and out trips to Pe El and Missoula were cancelled. Our first M-S match of the season is finally taking place tomorrow but with some restrictions. I can't begin to guess what the effect on the hunting season might be but it might even be positive. GD

The border opening will depend to a large degree on what is happening south of the border. Washington state has reported 137 new cases, in BC 10. Washington state has 1 and 1/2 times the population of BC.

No,I do not believe it will be open until January of 2021 at the earliest for "non essential" and hunting/fishing is "non essential" Our superstar libtard leader will just keep draining our grand kids piggy banks to fund his "pandemic" party.

Friend had a car rebuilt in Chi-town. It’s been ready to go for a month. As soon as it opens, we’ll be going to get it, but the latest news is probably late-July.

I am finding Covid kinda peaceful. It might be saving lives because are highways are so quiet .
Folks that are suffering with it , are suffering and God Bless them. In the meantime I am enjoying the slowed pace .

It maybe but they may make you quartine for 14 days. So take a month off .

It's not just will the border be opened? It's also when will the 14 day quarantine be lifted?

Let's say the border opened tomorrow and I took the family to Disney Land. We would have to self quarantine for 14 days before we went to Disneyland. When we returned home, we would also have to self quarantine 14 days.

So not counting the Disneyland time, we would be quarantined for 28 days. Who can afford that much time?

It's not just will the border be opened? It's also when will the 14 day quarantine be lifted?

Let's say the border opened tomorrow and I took the family to Disney Land. We would have to self quarantine for 14 days before we went to Disneyland. When we returned home, we would also have to self quarantine 14 days.

So not counting the Disneyland time, we would be quarantined for 28 days. Who can afford that much time?

Jud, border closure extended again. Closed for another month.

Earliest opening July 21st !

With the Covid rise in states like Texas, the closure will be extended well beyond July 21st. When? No freaking idea. Can't wait for this to be over.

Jud; as stated above nobody knows, I would expect to hear our idiot in chief to say "if we can save just one life" and shut the borders further.

As AB2506 has pointed out the other key question is does the required 14 day quarantine remain in place after the borders open to "non-essential" travel.

I had a trip to Texas for Aoudad booked this September and have moved it into 2021 because of lack of clarity on border openings and the 6-8 week wait time to get an ATF permit to bring a gun into the USA.

I think Idaho might be a safer bet for your hunting plans this fall.

It's not looking so good. If you own a place in Canada, the bills keep coming.

As it stands now if the Prime Minister opened the borders, he would be run out of town on a rail. Since this is a minority government it could happen. Our Premier had to remind the province that we hadn't closed the provincial borders to Albertans and Yukoners. . I guess we got to stop stoning those cars with Alberta plates, chuckle.

Looks like I won't be fishing LOTW or Rainey Lake this year .

Rick, you could fish both lakes, on the Minnesota side.

Thats a good point that I have been considering .

Canadian government is extending the 14 day quarantine to all persons entering the country.That adds immensely to the time required for the visit and to the cost. Then your home nation may also have a 14 day quarantine when you return.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/quarantine-rules-extended-again-1.5631731

Effectively we're stuck on our own side of the 49th parallel. Very glad I did not put in for Wyoming antelope! Too big of a gamble that if drawn on my 9 points, I would not be able to use the tag this year.

Here in the Maritimes we are open to the maritime provinces only. No non-essential from the US and limited from the rest of Canada. We have very low infection #s right now and with the spike in some of the US states I cannot see that border opening up anytime soon. I'd be surprised if it does open on July 21 when it is scheduled.

I have three books waiting in Maine waiting for me from Mule Deer I'd like to have in hand.

I will chime in again. I like the covid era, traffic is very light, all my interests are outside with low human contact. The city folks are pretty much stuck in their houses.
God bless the poor souls who have been affected by covid but traffic fatalities must be down.

I thought you were a city guy.

Traffic was down for quite a while but it seems to be back now. The fact that fewer cars have foreign plates doesn't mean much. They are still cars on the road. I am under quarantine again after a trip to Idaho. Out before the next match though, so it won't be too much of a hardship. GD

Maybe for you, but how about your wife? Stay safe, Ray

As long as we maintain social distancing, we get along OK

August 31st now.

https://rdnewsnow.com/2020/07/02/fe...8meGQQbAJVOO7Jo34pm3DFosV8TzRnivRgz60XY0

Yep I think we’re fuucked. Be some nice holdover bucks next year

That just plain stinks!!!

Well just pulled the trigger on a buck tag in Idaho, I just don’t think it’s gonna happen this year.

Judman;
Good afternoon to you sir, I hope that this finds you and yours well on this Fourth of July.

Honestly I believe you've made the logical choice here as they're not even encouraging inter provincial travel out west here yet.

While it would be my preference to assure you we'll be open by fall, at this juncture I've given up on any prognostication on my part - since nobody is consulting me anyways and they're not likely to any time soon either.

That said, whatever Ouija board or Magic 8 Ball they've been getting their cues from hasn't been panning out swell either, you know?

Anyway sir, here's to better times and brighter days ahead for us all and Happy Fourth of July to you and all our US friends south of the medicine line.

Dwayne

Copy that dwayne, I’m noticing several outfitters I know and others I follow on Instagram are offering hunts to Canadians at discounted prices to recoup some $$. That should be a pretty good indication too.

As I expected, I was to fly on the 26th. I did not buy tickets but a ten grand deposit sits...

Damn it Ed, we gotta wait. Was planning on goin with a outfitter next year, but suspect he’ll carry over this years clients to next year. I guess the bright side is, more hold over animals will have another year to grow..

It just plain Sucks! I love my time in Canada. I love the good folks I've met there more than all fish, and game in all Ontario.

I agree wabi, one of my favorite hunts.

Jud, I used to dream of hunting moose around our place in Wabigoon. The moose have gotten scarce, and my 76 year old legs ain't what the used to be

I've had more than my share of good times in NW Ontario. Lord Jesus has blessed me greatly.

Good deal brother, my 45 yo legs are trying to catch up to ya!! I’ve been really fortunate but I got a lot more plans/to do’s. Pisses me off to miss a year over something stupid as this

Truth be told, a lot of road hunting goes on, for the grouse as well.

A medium moose carcass is a lot of meat, then they ding us an export fee.

All the licenses add up to over a thousand dollars.

I would say the border is not going to be open for the rest of this year at least. It's already been pushed back twice.

As the pandemic seems to be sweeping out of control in many states in the United States largely due to the ignoring of public health regulations (social distancing and mask wearing) by wide sections of society that have lost faith in their elected officials and worse yet their medical community it's hard to see a general public Canadian support for open borders.

I personally do not support open borders at this time as I think there is a substantial risk.

The U.S. cash infusion into the Canadian economy does not trump the increased risk of disease. Apparently the E.U. feels the same way.

It appears this is the reason why the border is still closed. From CTV News.

This photo shows COVID-19 cases in Canada and the United States. The red spots in the US indicates COVID-19 hotspots. The red spots in Canada indicate the COVID intensity by province. The large red spots show more cases.

The data on the map is on a more localized level in the United States, which makes it appear more red, but there are an overwhelming number of cases south of the border compared to Canada. (Source: Johns Hopkins University)



https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/mobile/t...khQgE9Cq7SieLGfeIxMXVxdA_gfcaf4-fIU5VaZM

Trudeau the Younger seems to think the US is one big leper colony.

This may be the third time in 34 years I have not visited the fair country of Canada.

I don't think it's Trudeau. A sports writer on the Blue Jays beat referred to Florida as a viral cesspool. Another sports writer on the Canucks beat said something even stronger. It's a sentiment that runs across the board. The provincial heath officers are strongly against it, and they carry much more weight than the PM. We are mostly in stage 3 or better across the country,now, if we open up we may have to go back to stage one. One maritimer from PEI met an American in New Brunswick and suddenly PEI had 5 cases. That island province had had none for weeks.. I miss ordering parts on line and picking them up across the line.

Of course, I've got to blame everything on Trudeau.

Some are speculating it could be a year or better from now even. Sit back and see what happens.

The thing is, Dr.Tam in an interview said they never expected that the border would have to be closed, they weren't prepared for it in any of their plans. It's sad.I've crossed into Washington state regularly for 50 years. In the beginning a wave of the hand, now we have to show passports.

Outfitters are really starting to scramble, she be some good deals for you Canadians
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Before this they wouldn't take Canadian hunters . And fought to have packers barred.

I don 't see Canada changing things for the benefit of tourism. I am anti Trudeau but there is no need to stir the pot. Stay home , enjoy your families , reacquaint with your neighbors, support your church

All we can blame on Trudeau (Fidel Jr.) is a debt we will never dig our way out of in my lifetime. We'll still be dependent on China for goods and we'll beg them to take our produce. This is because the boy wonder likes to beg and likes to cave in to Chinese interests. And he loves to screw Canadians. Man, he makes me sick! GD

When I was boy back in the early fifties, the farmers blamed Eisenhower for everything.

Safe to say there are no similarities between Eisenhower and JT. GD

Not a chance the border will be open by hunting season. A few outfitters have already canceled their season and I know a couple more who will after the July 21st deadline which we all know they will extend to who knows when. Total insanity IMO. So many businesses are going broke over this nonsense and many will never reopen again. Not just outfitters either. The list is extensive and the "cure" if you want to call it that, is going to prove to be far worse than the virus ever was. Last year 1.5 million people died from TB. Why didnt we call that a pandemic and shut the country down??

reading this thread, this is a perfect example of Globalists accomplish exactly what they want...

divide and conquer, decrease trade so they can control it all... economically and politically...

The DemocRATic Party in the USA has never been happier...slowly getting their communist utopia.. where they become the elitists, and the American public becomes the peasants...

People who are blind to it, or deny it... suffer from the 'it can't happen here' syndrome...

What you Yanks don't understand is that Canada is very divided . Western Canada funds Eastern Canada, the East has the far greater population and controls political policy. It is not equitable.
During the world wars the bulk of the fightinging men came from the west, tough westerners and fierce fighters.
Trudeau, his Dad and his ilk are on the other side and this is/was not good for western Canada.
I do however hope Canada keep travel restrictions in place, tourism creates a false economy, unneccessary and wasteful. Learn how to enjoy you own home, imo.
We see no covid here, and don't need to import any.

^^ Bingo. The people who are blind to it are going to soon see the results. Here in Yukon we rely heavily on the tourist business, most of which is connected to the USA / Alaska in some way. Since they closed the borders all traffic en-route to AK has at least two checkpoints they must go through and only 24 hours to clear the territory. An element of the local population are mad that any American is even allowed to pass through and have been making that anger known. There have been multiple incidents of local people harassing American travellers. Last week one lady was called a "dirty American," and another older lady in a wheel chair was denied the use of a washroom. That kind of stuff has been happening for weeks now and its disgusting. Word travels fast and those Americans are going to talk about how they were treated in Canada.

The majority of Yukoner's work for the Govt.so they dont care if another tourist ever visits the Territory. Its amazing to me how the mainstream media has instilled so much fear into a large portion of the population. Its like people have forgotten how to think for themselves. Meanwhile the country is going broke right before our eyes and although it looks like the US economy is going to rebound rather quickly, Canada is not so lucky. Most economists are predicting a continuing weak dollar and extreme inflation just around the corner. The tourist business will never be the same again, and that includes hunting. I was talking about this with an outfitter friend the other day and he agreed. Why would an American hunter choose to come here when they can go to Alaska and hunt the same species when they or someone they know was treated like dirt here?? A lot of those stories made the paper too so of course were picked up by social media...

You are the classic example of the ignorant American. Mercifully, not every American is as stupid as you and GregW. 😂

Having lived and worked (oil sands) in Alberta for five years the division was quite obvious.

I've been fishing on BWCA, Quetico, and VNP border lakes for > 20 years. Always buy both licenses so we can fish both sides. This year we were told we could not fish the Canada side, or be caught in Canada waters. When I asked for a refund of my license fee since I couldn't use it. I was told there were no refunds after license had expired. I explained it was an 8 day license and I didn't have any way to contact until the license had expired. They basically said too bad, no refund. I really feel bad for the outfitters and other folks who depend on tourism. I'm sure many will not survive.

I'm not going to be to popular with this. The Canadian GDP shrunk by 11.6% in April . At this rate, the drop will be worse than even the Great Depression ! The only reason we are still limping along is the huge amount of money the federal government has thrown at it. Like FDR did in the Great Depression. They will not be able to continue doing this. They will have to scale back and we will have a depression, that's a given, not merely a recession. We all know what the Conservative mantra of balanced budget led to in the early thirties. It took ten years and a World War to undo that,. The Chinese are reporting a 90% economy, as if you can trust Chinese numbers, it's likely worse. Until we have a vaccine, to keep even this 90% economy, we'll be lucky if it's that much, limping along, we will have to live with the New Normal. Otherwise accept large scale deaths, since I'll likely be one of them, I don't like that idea.

Not a shocking development that you are in disagreeance Davy Crockett...

I would say it's unlikely they'll open the border. Our numbers are similar to the US even though our MSM never ever mentions our numbers, only that Trump's America is having record problems. So that means our Yankee-hating Liberal government is in no hurry to open the border.

And I hope you don't open your border to anyone from Quebec or Ontario. Here in the West we have a very different situation.

GregW,

Johnny must have asked for help. ...but didn't get any.

Hush now. I here they are giving away free ice cream at the corner store. 😀

Helps when you actually make sense when trying a dig....

That is sensible. It's pointless to spread it around.

That map is trash...you have way more land mass and about 1/9 the population, and your Bolshevik mapmakers at CTV didn't assign covid densities geographically on your side; rather they put a big dot in the center of the province. Stupid, and your genius population buys it hook/line/sinker.

Canada isn't blessed with a strong anti-globalist chief executive, and as a result, their benevolent press aren't marketing an internal disaster. None of this is complicated, Redgwell.

My name is Steve. You did not read the article. It explains the red dots. If you wish to debate the map, chat with either CTV News or Johns Hopkins. This isn't complicated, Vek.

What Trudeau has done is nothing like what FDR did. At least FDR paid for something rather than just rewarding people for not working. Programs like the CCC built infrastructure and allowed people to earn their living. While the country spent some money, they at least got some tangible assets for it. JT just tries to find new ways to buy support.
It remains to be seen just how serious the corona virus is going to be. In this, as in everything else, we citizens are left with trying to sort facts from two extreme views. One thing is certain, it has managed to effect change where nothing else could. Mostly, it has shown the west can be stampeded. GD

I agree that the govt should have tried some work program, but because COVID was the reason, it would be difficult to find employment and keep ones distance. This is being a smart ass, but they could always have been given a govt job. The feds are understaffed. 😀


This is an interesting link. The source is the European Centre for Disease Prevention. A bit of reading here. It suggests that, for Canada and the US at least, the borders won't be open for visitors soon.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...e-canada-and-other-key-nations-1.4881500

If we do not get up this summer, I'm bummed out.

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It's not looking good. This year has been a mess.

2020, the year that wasn't.

Wabigoon, before 9/11 , way before...I was asked to sing our national anthem to prove I was Canadian, I had no I.D. and US border people wanted to let me through.
It worked and I had my usual gallonage of Montana beer that evening. Maybe, give this a shot?

Border closed till August 21st now !

Here is a CTV news video that explains everything. An excellent synopsis that explains why everything will remain closed.

Trudeau is trying to appease the US and Canadians by going 30 days at a time. Essentially, he is leading everyone on to make them feel better. Some might say "false hope", but while the feds take their advice from the medical community, the PR is theirs alone. The government wants to remain optimistic, and pass that feeling along to Canadians. For example, they will put the carrot of '30 more days' out for the public, rather than a period of months or even the end of the year.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/can...closed-another-30-days-sources-1.5023287

In BC we hit a week of 20+ new cases a day, at that level there is talk of scaling back the opening. Washington state, one and half our population hit 500 per day yesterday .

Ya it’s exploding down here, ain’t gonna happen this year,

I was a little confused as I thought the border had already been closed until August 31st. But this article I posted previously isn't about the border closure, but about mandatory 14 day isolation for people coming into Canada.

https://rdnewsnow.com/2020/07/02/fe...8meGQQbAJVOO7Jo34pm3DFosV8TzRnivRgz60XY0

Me bad.

I don't care who is PM, as long as he listens to the medical people. Justin is only a mouthpiece for the ones who actually make the decisions. We can be thankful that he is genuinely too dense to govern, and lets others do the heavy lifting.

His goofy nature will get him tossed out, but through this crisis, his handlers were smart wnough to tell him to hush up.

When I make the trip I want to fish, and visit good friends, I don't want to sit.

Richard—I know a couple of non-resident land owners who have come here—but they had to self-quarentine and that means no going into town—have to have groceries delivered—and no fishing—they have to stay on property. The OPP were checking up on them also.

Thanks Karl, That's how I understood it.

Karl, short question for you, are you a Canadian citizen?

I’m dual citizen—became a Canadian in 1977 and got my US citizenship back under free trade in 1984. I have a US passport and can cross the border at any time but would have to quarentine upon my return.

Thanks Karl, it would be a pleasure to shake your hand some day.

And they extended it through September...

CBC just ran a piece that says we are looking at midsummer of 21 before the border will open. Wont be many hunting or fishing outfits left in business by then.

I agree with Dwayne. This is the worst fiasco thats happened in my lifetime. Not only are we being put out of business by the mess they have made with covid, but now we have FN issues coming out of our ears. They are trying to stop hunting/fishing in every corner of the north it seems. Just today the Liard First Nation ran an add in the paper saying they were banning all non native hunting in their traditional territory. This isn't legal and they in fact cant stop anyone but who wants the hassle. You would have to be crazy to get into the outfitting business in Canada now. In fact most of the outfits I know are looking at the best way to get out while their investment still has some value.

The fact is that it will never get back to what it was before covid. Just the rescheduling alone is going to take years to straighten out, and prices are going to go way up. No way around that.

September 21.




For what reason did they justify their speculation that the border won't open until mid 2021?

OK, I saw CTV National News. Our illustrious Covid Dr. Pham is using models again. Says there's going to be a huge peak in the fall plus the flu. Smaller peaks all through 2021 and into 2022.

Fearmonger.

It is out of my control and quite like the extra peace around home. The river has few non residents and fishing is better for locals , traffic is lighter and our local guide outfitters will suffer greatly and have to return deposits to many foreign hunters.
Families are closer, townsfolk even more friendly.
I don't see any covid in my world, I do know it is a massive problem.

Well I guess it's official now for me as well.....history.

AB2506, those are just models, mind you, as my buddy said, come September they are going to let all those little germ spreaders loose.

Hell we might not get to hunt up there next year either

Seriously Jud........who knows?