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Re: missing video [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye] #14962229 06/12/20
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Definitely a death sentence offense, the fine upstanding officer had every possible reason to kill that man can't ya see that?

Ridiculous. There's no reason to suggest he intended to cause permanent harm, let alone death. He employed a control tactic after multiple failed efforts to secure him in the squad car. They were waiting for someone to come, either EMS, a larger vehicle that would be easier to force him into, or both, and he needed to be kept from running off till that arrived. They had been exhausted in their efforts to get him in the car, and couldn't keep fighting with him. The alternative to what he did was to let him run off. Cops aren't superhuman, and cannot continue to struggle with a huge, powerful, guy like that, ramped up with drugs as he was, indefinitely.


Was the officer trained that the technique he used was appropriate for cuffed resistive subjects who are not assaultive?

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Re: missing video [Re: kroo88] #14962230 06/12/20
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Originally Posted by kroo88
Funny, you couldn’t see his halo in that clip.


Paul an me did. wink


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Originally Posted by Hammerdown
Imagine, if Floyd would have just "obeyed a lawful command"


Imagine, if the majority of minority’s just “obeyed a lawful command, or answered a question without black-ata-tude”

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Re: missing video [Re: Valsdad] #14962284 06/12/20
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Originally Posted by Valsdad
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[ The alternative to what he did was to let him run off.


Not sure about the LEOs there, but in many places they have "zip tie" restraints in their vehicles (some on their person??).

I mentioned it in a post last week or so...............why not "hog tie" him. Couple of those restraints around his ankles, and guess what...................no running off.

and no need to kneel on a neck. 4 officers there, one big fella. Tie his ass up like a steer and be done with it until help arrives.


Of course, maybe our 'fire LEOs can chime in, for all I know some court somewhere has determined restraining a suspect's ankles is now against the law.

What if they didn't have zip ties long enough for his ankles?


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Re: missing video [Re: PaulBarnard] #14962287 06/12/20
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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by 700LH
Definitely a death sentence offense, the fine upstanding officer had every possible reason to kill that man can't ya see that?

Ridiculous. There's no reason to suggest he intended to cause permanent harm, let alone death. He employed a control tactic after multiple failed efforts to secure him in the squad car. They were waiting for someone to come, either EMS, a larger vehicle that would be easier to force him into, or both, and he needed to be kept from running off till that arrived. They had been exhausted in their efforts to get him in the car, and couldn't keep fighting with him. The alternative to what he did was to let him run off. Cops aren't superhuman, and cannot continue to struggle with a huge, powerful, guy like that, ramped up with drugs as he was, indefinitely.


Was the officer trained that the technique he used was appropriate for cuffed resistive subjects who are not assaultive?


More emotional reasoning from you.

Do the autopsy results mean anything?


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Re: missing video [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye] #14962296 06/12/20
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
[ The alternative to what he did was to let him run off.


Not sure about the LEOs there, but in many places they have "zip tie" restraints in their vehicles (some on their person??).

I mentioned it in a post last week or so...............why not "hog tie" him. Couple of those restraints around his ankles, and guess what...................no running off.

and no need to kneel on a neck. 4 officers there, one big fella. Tie his ass up like a steer and be done with it until help arrives.


Of course, maybe our 'fire LEOs can chime in, for all I know some court somewhere has determined restraining a suspect's ankles is now against the law.

What if they didn't have zip ties long enough for his ankles?



What If the moon was made of cheese?

Zip ties are cheap and plentiful. What if we just dismiss all better solutions?


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Originally Posted by FreeMe
What If the moon was made of cheese?

Zip ties are cheap and plentiful. What if we just dismiss all better solutions?

So, if I'm understanding you, their not having zip ties long enough for his ankles mean that it was murder??


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Re: missing video [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye] #14962351 06/12/20
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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What If the moon was made of cheese?

Zip ties are cheap and plentiful. What if we just dismiss all better solutions?

So, if I'm understanding you, their not having zip ties long enough for his ankles mean that it was murder??


What a trollish reply. Did I say that? No, I didn't - and your feeble attempt to read my mind is a bad look. You clearly do not understand me, and are not trying very hard.

"What ifs" are a stupid waste of time. That's what I'm saying.

Speaking of stupid....hobbling the police so they lack better options is stupid. That's not a remark on what was done - it's a remark on what could have been done better if they were allowed.









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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
[ The alternative to what he did was to let him run off.


Not sure about the LEOs there, but in many places they have "zip tie" restraints in their vehicles (some on their person??).

I mentioned it in a post last week or so...............why not "hog tie" him. Couple of those restraints around his ankles, and guess what...................no running off.

and no need to kneel on a neck. 4 officers there, one big fella. Tie his ass up like a steer and be done with it until help arrives.


Of course, maybe our 'fire LEOs can chime in, for all I know some court somewhere has determined restraining a suspect's ankles is now against the law.

What if they didn't have zip ties long enough for his ankles?


One can put two together to make them longer.

If no zip ties, not a single one of them had some paracord bracelet or other tacticool doo dad with them? Or even a piece of rope in the car. Tow strap? Jacket?


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Re: missing video [Re: Valsdad] #14962360 06/12/20
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Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Valsdad
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[ The alternative to what he did was to let him run off.


Not sure about the LEOs there, but in many places they have "zip tie" restraints in their vehicles (some on their person??).

I mentioned it in a post last week or so...............why not "hog tie" him. Couple of those restraints around his ankles, and guess what...................no running off.

and no need to kneel on a neck. 4 officers there, one big fella. Tie his ass up like a steer and be done with it until help arrives.


Of course, maybe our 'fire LEOs can chime in, for all I know some court somewhere has determined restraining a suspect's ankles is now against the law.

What if they didn't have zip ties long enough for his ankles?


One can put two together to make them longer.

If no zip ties, not a single one of them had some paracord bracelet or other tacticool doo dad with them? Or even a piece of rope in the car. Tow strap? Jacket?


Ho Lee Shixt. They have a car. How hard would it be to have giant zip ties in the car? How expensive? I got three foot long zip ties hangin' in my garage. Didn't have to look hard to get them.


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Re: missing video [Re: PaulBarnard] #14962367 06/12/20
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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
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That further confirms that his behavior was resistive, not assaultive.


I think you mean THIS video doesn’t show assaultive behavior on the part of Floyd.

And what does that matter?



Isn't a person's threat to an officer something courts consider when determining the legality of the officer's use of force?


Of course it is.

As are about a bajillion other GRAHAM factors.

None of which you or I know.


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Re: missing video [Re: kroo88] #14962368 06/12/20
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Originally Posted by kroo88
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by 700LH
Definitely a death sentence offense, the fine upstanding officer had every possible reason to kill that man can't ya see that?

Ridiculous. There's no reason to suggest he intended to cause permanent harm, let alone death. He employed a control tactic after multiple failed efforts to secure him in the squad car. They were waiting for someone to come, either EMS, a larger vehicle that would be easier to force him into, or both, and he needed to be kept from running off till that arrived. They had been exhausted in their efforts to get him in the car, and couldn't keep fighting with him. The alternative to what he did was to let him run off. Cops aren't superhuman, and cannot continue to struggle with a huge, powerful, guy like that, ramped up with drugs as he was, indefinitely.


Was the officer trained that the technique he used was appropriate for cuffed resistive subjects who are not assaultive?


More emotional reasoning from you.

Do the autopsy results mean anything?



It's the polar opposite of emotional. I am asking that the officer's behavior be examined against an objective standard.

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Oops, I forgot the duct tape too.

But as I said, perhaps in some (many??) locations it's unacceptable to restrain a suspect that way. I mean, it is rather undignified.


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Re: missing video [Re: PaulBarnard] #14962372 06/12/20
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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by 700LH
Definitely a death sentence offense, the fine upstanding officer had every possible reason to kill that man can't ya see that?

Ridiculous. There's no reason to suggest he intended to cause permanent harm, let alone death. He employed a control tactic after multiple failed efforts to secure him in the squad car. They were waiting for someone to come, either EMS, a larger vehicle that would be easier to force him into, or both, and he needed to be kept from running off till that arrived. They had been exhausted in their efforts to get him in the car, and couldn't keep fighting with him. The alternative to what he did was to let him run off. Cops aren't superhuman, and cannot continue to struggle with a huge, powerful, guy like that, ramped up with drugs as he was, indefinitely.


Was the officer trained that the technique he used was appropriate for cuffed resistive subjects who are not assaultive?


That will come out in the trial.

I can tell you that many, many, many LEO’s are taught to use that technique to restrain active resistant suspects.


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Re: missing video [Re: PaulBarnard] #14962375 06/12/20
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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
It's the polar opposite of emotional. I am asking that the officer's behavior be examined against an objective standard.


Do you know why the officers in the Rodney King video were acquitted?


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Re: missing video [Re: stxhunter] #14962379 06/12/20
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I'm betting that the officer beats the rap. And the longer this goes, the more it looks like he should. But his life will be ruined....unless he has the talent to parlay it into a media gig.

But that doesn't change the fact that the video has caused a lot of bad blood, which could and should have been avoided - IF people actually used their heads for more than a hat rack.


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Originally Posted by Valsdad
Oops, I forgot the duct tape too.

But as I said, perhaps in some (many??) locations it's unacceptable to restrain a suspect that way. I mean, it is rather undignified.


That's what I'm talkin' about. Perhaps the better ways are stupidly illegal. Ya think?


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Re: missing video [Re: deflave] #14962395 06/12/20
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Originally Posted by deflave
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That further confirms that his behavior was resistive, not assaultive.


I think you mean THIS video doesn’t show assaultive behavior on the part of Floyd.

And what does that matter?



Isn't a person's threat to an officer something courts consider when determining the legality of the officer's use of force?


Of course it is.

As are about a bajillion other GRAHAM factors.

None of which you or I know.


Which is why I still believe this case is anything but a legal slam dunk. Severity of the crime, cuffed (and patted down) subject's threat to the four officers, cuffed subject's flight flight risk, how Chauvin was trained in the technique he was using and if he knew of any associated risks, etc. will come into play.

I wonder how the courts will look at Chauvin's indifference to the fact that his partner reported Floyd had no pulse.


Chauvin reportedly was looking for a plea deal that didn't materialize.

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