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Originally Posted by nighthawk
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St Paul copied from Greek philosophy during his stay in Greece, some of his words are taken nearly word for word from Greek philosophy.

So why is that quote out there anyway? Is it meant to say deny rationality? Or don't be fooled by its misapplication?


What do you mean? If St Paul copied from Greek philosophy, he was not using his own thoughts or reasoning, or being inspired by God, he was copying other people's work, the work of Greek Philosophers.

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..... After the Roman church and then the later protestant churches got through with Jesus he was thoroughly obscured. All that was left was His name.


Its a numbers game.... history shows the big corporate religions like the catholics are more into quantity than quality...

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Originally Posted by DBT
What do you mean? If St Paul copied from Greek philosophy, he was not using his own thoughts or reasoning, or being inspired by God, he was copying other people's work, the work of Greek Philosophers.


“And for rejecting such a medium, we have the authority of those the oldest and most celebrated philosophers of Greece and Phoenicia, who made a vacuum, and atoms, and the gravity of atoms, the first principles of their philosophy; tacitly attributing gravity to some other cause than dense matter. Later philosophers banish the consideration of such a cause out of natural philosophy, feigning Hypotheses for explaining all things mechanically, and referring other causes to Metaphysics.”

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“I have always thought it curious that, while most scientists claim to eschew religion, it actually dominates their thoughts more than it does the clergy.”

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What do you mean? If St Paul copied from Greek philosophy, he was not using his own thoughts or reasoning, or being inspired by God, he was copying other people's work, the work of Greek Philosophers.


“And for rejecting such a medium, we have the authority of those the oldest and most celebrated philosophers of Greece and Phoenicia, who made a vacuum, and atoms, and the gravity of atoms, the first principles of their philosophy; tacitly attributing gravity to some other cause than dense matter. Later philosophers banish the consideration of such a cause out of natural philosophy, feigning Hypotheses for explaining all things mechanically, and referring other causes to Metaphysics.”

-Isaac Newton


I'm not sure how that is relevant to the issue of St Paul copying from Greek philosophy.

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Originally Posted by Starman
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Says Paul,...


If you want to start a cult and build your numbers,
it's going to be slow going by requiring folks
to be strict Jewish Torah compliant as prerequisite
to becoming a Christian.. so Paul relaxed the rules.

Such demanding 0.T. observances were deemed an
inconvenient hindrance to scooping up the Hellenistic/ Greek Torah folks (gentiles).


Paul was the marketing genius that grew the revenues.


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If one questions whether a person can believe in evolution and still be a follower of Jesus, you might consider reading this book, ‘The Language of God’, by Francis Collins. He is one of the world’s leading physician-geneticists, and is well known for heading the Human Genome Project...and bringing it to a successful completion ahead of schedule and under budget. He is currently the director of the US National Institutes of Health. He sees it as a misconception that faith and science are incompatible. Just a suggestion for those who might be interested.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

Paul was the marketing genius that grew the revenues.


Archeological digs of pagan sites of worship
show folks left money, gold and other precious
valuables to their dieties,.. the church brainwashed
its followers into giving such to the church.


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Originally Posted by antlers
If one questions whether a person can believe in evolution and still be a follower of Jesus, you might consider reading this book, ‘The Language of God’, by Francis Collins. He is one of the world’s leading physician-geneticists, and is well known for heading the Human Genome Project...and bringing it to a successful completion ahead of schedule and under budget. He is currently the director of the US National Institutes of Health. He sees it as a misconception that faith and science are incompatible. Just a suggestion for those who might be interested.


He was also a friend of Christopher Hitchen's and offered to try and find a treatment for Christopher's cancer tailored to his DNA.


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Originally Posted by antlers
If one questions whether a person can believe in evolution and still be a follower of Jesus, you might consider reading this book, ‘The Language of God’, by Francis Collins. He is one of the world’s leading physician-geneticists, and is well known for heading the Human Genome Project...and bringing it to a successful completion ahead of schedule and under budget. He is currently the director of the US National Institutes of Health. He sees it as a misconception that faith and science are incompatible. Just a suggestion for those who might be interested.
He was also a friend of Christopher Hitchen's and offered to try and find a treatment for Christopher's cancer tailored to his DNA.
Yep. Christopher Hitchens thought highly of him.
He mentions that Collins was sequencing the genome of the cancer that would ultimately claim Hitchens's life.


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antlers,

Jesus says we should watch out when men speak well of us.


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Originally Posted by Ringman
antlers,

Jesus says we should watch out when men speak well of us.


He actually said “Woe unto you when ‘ALL MEN’ speak well of you.” The implication being such ‘universal’ applause is not to be gained without some bad compliances.

Regardless...Is your statement in regard to a dying Christopher Hitchens speaking highly of Francis Collins...? Do you have a point...? If so, what is it...?


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I like the one where we evolve into sky fairies.

Is that one of the six?


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Originally Posted by RayF
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What do you mean? If St Paul copied from Greek philosophy, he was not using his own thoughts or reasoning, or being inspired by God, he was copying other people's work, the work of Greek Philosophers.


“And for rejecting such a medium, we have the authority of those the oldest and most celebrated philosophers of Greece and Phoenicia, who made a vacuum, and atoms, and the gravity of atoms, the first principles of their philosophy; tacitly attributing gravity to some other cause than dense matter. Later philosophers banish the consideration of such a cause out of natural philosophy, feigning Hypotheses for explaining all things mechanically, and referring other causes to Metaphysics.”

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Originally Posted by MadMooner
I like the one where we evolve into sky fairies.

Is that one of the six?



No, evolution is about what happened before that.


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Bummer.

It sounded solid.


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Originally Posted by MadMooner
I like the one where we evolve into sky fairies.

Is that one of the six?


I don't think I'd want to be a fairy. But a prehensile tail would come in "handy", more so than a third hand anyway.


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I’ll give you guys this -

There are as many scientists who thought they under The mystery of physics and were wrong, as there are men who thought they understood everything God was trying to tell them and are wrong.

And that my friend is the majority of people...

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Originally Posted by DBT
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Colossians 2:8: "Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elements of the world, rather than Christ."


St Paul copied from Greek philosophy during his stay in Greece, some of his words are taken nearly word for word from Greek philosophy.



Well, don’t leave us hanging. Pls post where Paul quoted from Greek sources. BUT, would you pls show the context? Tell us what this borrowed “philosophy” was.

I am afraid some reader might think that Paul got some of his Christian philosophy Greek writers.

Clearly, he did not, and it would be good of you to show that.


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