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I watched the movie again last night and still have some questions for you hard core fans.

Early in the movie, Ramius meets with the Soviet political officer. Ramius asks "how many KGB agents are aboard". P.O. tells him "I'd be the last to know". Is that foreshadowing?

Next Ramius stages the PO's death, and has the ships doctor and a cook witness him taking the nuke key from the PO.

Ramius obviously has a plan to stage a "nuclear accident" to evacuate the crew.

I am still unsure which events were planned by Ramius and defecting officers and what the cook does.

- Is the cook a KGB agent put aboard? Is he just a nobody worried Ramius will attack the US?

- The first meltdown of the caterpillar drive. Was that staged by Ramius or sabotage?

- Radiation "accident" Ramius and Officers, or saboteur?

- Cook seemed to be very handy with a pistol at the end and somehow knew how to "hot-wire" the missiles. KGB?

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s the cook a KGB agent put aboard? Is he just a nobody worried Ramius will attack the US? No, just a die hard commie

- The first meltdown of the caterpillar drive. Was that staged by Ramius or sabotage? Sabotooge


- Radiation "accident" Ramius and Officers, or saboteur? sabotoogee


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I have read only the initial post, so I am not cheating, but I will bet that it takes no time at all for someone to jump in with a denunciation of Baldwin's politics.


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It's kind of implausible. A Soviet spy satellite would have found the sub hidden in Maine very soon after that. The Russians would have called that an act of war.


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Originally Posted by 5sdad
I have read only the initial post, so I am not cheating, but I will bet that it takes no time at all for someone to jump in with a denunciation of Baldwin's politics.

Another good reason to read the book (in addition to Hatari's questions)
Clancy's research and level of detail included were fantastic.


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Read the book. No not a smart assed response.

Tom Clancy's singly authored books are a maze of information and interrelationships that are never properly dealt with in a movie script. If they were you'd end up with a 6 hour mini series. Especially when making an action driven summer blockbuster movie.


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The book is better!

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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
It's kind of implausible. A Soviet spy satellite would have found the sub hidden in Maine very soon after that. The Russians would have called that an act of war.



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GSF Explorer, formerly USNS Hughes Glomar Explorer (T-AG-193), was a deep-sea drillship platform built for Project Azorian, the secret 1974 effort by the United States Central Intelligence Agency's Special Activities Division to recover the Soviet submarine K-129.[3][4]


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Cook was a KGB agent. Answers first and last question.

Radiation issues were falsified by Ramius as excuse to get his men off the boat.


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Originally Posted by Pharmseller
Cook was a KGB agent. Answers first and last question.

Radiation issues were falsified by Ramius as excuse to get his men off the boat.


The book IS really much better, lest someone else take offense at humor...


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Originally Posted by FatCity67
Read the book. No not a smart assed response.

Tom Clancy's singly authored books are a maze of information and interrelationships that are never properly dealt with in a movie script. If they were you'd end up with a 6 hour mini series. Especially when making an action driven summer blockbuster movie.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
Cook was a KGB agent. Answers first and last question.

Radiation issues were falsified by Ramius as excuse to get his men off the boat.


The book IS really much better, lest someone else take offense at humor...


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I cannot think of a case where the book was not better than the movie, but I still enjoy watching the movies to see how they depict what was written. One of the worst cases of "movie alteration" was with The Naked and the Dead, where the wrong deaths occurred. Also related to this is illustrators (especially of paperback covers) who do not bother to read the book before doing their drawing.


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Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
Cook was a KGB agent. Answers first and last question.

Radiation issues were falsified by Ramius as excuse to get his men off the boat.


The book IS really much better, lest someone else take offense at humor...


I did read the book once upon a time, and enjoyed it. It does jump around from one scene to the next and doesn't all come togther until the climax. You go from Ryan to Dallas, to Red October to Sec of State each chapter as I recall.


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Originally Posted by 5sdad
I cannot think of a case where the book was not better than the movie,
I think the Godfather I & II gave it a good run..


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Book was great but the movie was thin and just mediocre. Cook was KGB and the radiation incident staged to get the crew to get off the ship. If this was real and the Soviets had discovered the Red October sometime later by satellite in Maine they would have never acknowledged the discovery due to the humiliation and embarrassment it would cause the Soviet Union and the Party.


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the whole movie is a cheese game.


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
It's kind of implausible. A Soviet spy satellite would have found the sub hidden in Maine very soon after that. The Russians would have called that an act of war.


IIRC, in the book, they "hid" the Red October in Chesapeake Bay, not in Maine.

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