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Re: Should we not be looking at hospitalization numbers? [Re: mtnsnake] #15004155 06/27/20
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Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Hydroxychloroquine is great on arthritis. Doctors in Texas was saying it worked. I do not know. I am not a doctor.


I'm a clinical hospital pharmacist and am really ambivalent about it. If the doc wants to use it, fine, if not, fine. The few times we've actually used it was more of a why not than a real belief it works. If I get CD19 and start to get short of breath and my doc wants to prescribe it, I'd take it, but not with azithromycin, I'd also be OK not taking it by itself. The data varies and it's really opinion at this point whether it works or not and if it does, when and how much is at question.

Again though, the vast majority of people who test positive don't need anything other than a few tylenol and some cough syrup at most.


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Re: Should we not be looking at hospitalization numbers? [Re: Sycamore] #15004158 06/27/20
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Originally Posted by Sycamore
[I thought the hype was that it would all go away in April, when it warmed up?


It did:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

Check out the graph.

Re: Should we not be looking at hospitalization numbers? [Re: UNCCGrad] #15004159 06/27/20
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Originally Posted by UNCCGrad
Reports everywhere of Covid cases on the rise which with the added testing available and "protests" by those under 35 can only be expected. Governors and local govts re-closing businesses, parks, beaches etc but I'm not hearing that hospitalizations are sharply rising. It's like saying you're getting more rain after you put up a rain gauge. If you're scared, then keep your ass at home while the rest of us keep trying to make a living.

What's going on with hospitalizations and/or deaths near you?
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Your ID looks like you're a UNC Charlotte grad maybe still in Mecklenberg Co? If so I can tell you that the next county north, Iredell, as of Thursday has had 672 confirmed, 17 currently hospitalized in our 3 hospitals, and 9 dead. 253 positive and self quarantined. Have heard "reports" from a few personnel in nearby areas that if a patient dies with flu like symptoms it's listed Covid if at all possible. Some things heard are questionable, such as elevated reimbursement / govt add ons bringing more revenue for Covid

My daughter is in Jacksonville Beach, FL and just says there's a "bunch" of cases new in the beach area which was one of the first spots to try open bars. Have to say close contact bars wouldn't be where I'd be found anywhere.

What bothers me is the numbers just say "people" 90% of the time. That covers a lot of ground. No good demographics. Which people? Already I'm hearing its racist to list "migrant workers" as a category. Fill in the blank on living conditions and social habits. Same for inner city public housing downtown with 8 people in a 2 bedroom with unknown outside activities. That is high risk. Is that a large part of the numbers? That's not racist. That's just a reasonable question.


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Re: Should we not be looking at hospitalization numbers? [Re: shootem] #15004166 06/27/20
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Originally Posted by UNCCGrad
Reports everywhere of Covid cases on the rise which with the added testing available and "protests" by those under 35 can only be expected. Governors and local govts re-closing businesses, parks, beaches etc but I'm not hearing that hospitalizations are sharply rising. It's like saying you're getting more rain after you put up a rain gauge. If you're scared, then keep your ass at home while the rest of us keep trying to make a living.

What's going on with hospitalizations and/or deaths near you?
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Your ID looks like you're a UNC Charlotte grad maybe still in Mecklenberg Co? If so I can tell you that the next county north, Iredell, as of Thursday has had 672 confirmed, 17 currently hospitalized in our 3 hospitals, and 9 dead. 253 positive and self quarantined. Have heard "reports" from a few personnel in nearby areas that if a patient dies with flu like symptoms it's listed Covid if at all possible. Some things heard are questionable, such as elevated reimbursement / govt add ons bringing more revenue for Covid

My daughter is in Jacksonville Beach, FL and just says there's a "bunch" of cases new in the beach area which was one of the first spots to try open bars. Have to say close contact bars wouldn't be where I'd be found anywhere.

What bothers me is the numbers just say "people" 90% of the time. That covers a lot of ground. No good demographics. Which people? Already I'm hearing its racist to list "migrant workers" as a category. Fill in the blank on living conditions and social habits. Same for inner city public housing downtown with 8 people in a 2 bedroom with unknown outside activities. That is high risk. Is that a large part of the numbers? That's not racist. That's just a reasonable question.



Maybe our area has not been PC as they've pointed out several times it's the Hispanic and Marshallese in our counties taking the brunt of the disease. There've been several of the Marshallese in their 30s die from it. Must be genetically predisposed to have more severe reactions. Those are also the majority of the poultry plant workers that have the highest positive rates.

NWA has the second highest Marshallese population in the US. The prevalence could also be due to living conditions, as well as genetics.

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The unique migration arrangement led to a Marshallese diaspora in the late 1980s. Islanders have settled in Hawaii, California, and Washington, but the largest continental population is located in Springdale, where the Marshallese found plenty of factory work, affordable housing, and excellent schools.
Most Marshallese in Arkansas labor in poultry slaughterhouses but are increasingly finding jobs in other sectors, professions, and self-established businesses. High school graduates are able to enroll in local community colleges and universities. English is widely spoken, especially by youth, but Marshallese (also known as Ebon, a Malayo-Polynesian language) remains the primary language.
Marshallese in Arkansas generally live in multi-family, multi-generational, and sparsely furnished households, laden with island artifacts, sea shells, woven wreaths, and faux flowers.

https://encyclopediaofarkansas.net/entries/marshallese-5972/


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Re: Should we not be looking at hospitalization numbers? [Re: UNCCGrad] #15004179 06/27/20
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Had a coworker get it, he literally was the most vulnerable person I know that isn’t 70+ years old. 50+, Unhealthy, overweight ,sleeps with a CPAT , breaths hard walking up 6 steps. He checked himself into the ER and was released from the ER in 3 days. What we’ve been saying is that if he can beat it....anyone can. Had another coworker who got it, him , his wife and his daughter. Only he showed any symptoms at all and it was 1 day of feeling a little feverish, his wife and daughter never showed a single symptom. Buddy’s wife is an ER doc here in the Springs, she never saw a situation that was overwhelming or challenging to the hospital, in fact it was the opposite, nurses were being sent home because there was nothing for them to do since normal illness wasn’t being treated. What I don’t understand is as of late we’ve been testing at an astronomical rate, we know most people that get it are asymptomatic , is it a surprise that the case # is up? It’s like were not smart enough to understand why the case #’s are up. The chit didn’t magically go away, but it’s not even close to as deadly as they had us believing. IIRC H1N1 infected over 50 million Americans, do they think this will not do the same?

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Who is they and them?
I think they're talking about you.


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Re: Should we not be looking at hospitalization numbers? [Re: ribka] #15004197 06/27/20
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Originally Posted by ribka
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Originally Posted by UNCCGrad
Reports everywhere of Covid cases on the rise which with the added testing available and "protests" by those under 35 can only be expected. Governors and local govts re-closing businesses, parks, beaches etc but I'm not hearing that hospitalizations are sharply rising. It's like saying you're getting more rain after you put up a rain gauge. If you're scared, then keep your ass at home while the rest of us keep trying to make a living.

What's going on with hospitalizations and/or deaths near you?


Arizona is filling up hospital beds. Pima County : Intensive care units at local hospitals are at or near capacity now, and are utilizing the state's surge line to take in or move seriously or critically ill patients.

statewide, supposedly at 88% of ICU beds in use as of June 24, expecting to fill in July.

According to the news.


A military hero and now an infectious disease specialist who went to med school? What a dum ghunt


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...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
Re: Should we not be looking at hospitalization numbers? [Re: shootem] #15004206 06/27/20
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Originally Posted by shootem
Originally Posted by UNCCGrad
Reports everywhere of Covid cases on the rise which with the added testing available and "protests" by those under 35 can only be expected. Governors and local govts re-closing businesses, parks, beaches etc but I'm not hearing that hospitalizations are sharply rising. It's like saying you're getting more rain after you put up a rain gauge. If you're scared, then keep your ass at home while the rest of us keep trying to make a living.

What's going on with hospitalizations and/or deaths near you?
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Your ID looks like you're a UNC Charlotte grad maybe still in Mecklenberg Co? If so I can tell you that the next county north, Iredell, as of Thursday has had 672 confirmed, 17 currently hospitalized in our 3 hospitals, and 9 dead. 253 positive and self quarantined. Have heard "reports" from a few personnel in nearby areas that if a patient dies with flu like symptoms it's listed Covid if at all possible. Some things heard are questionable, such as elevated reimbursement / govt add ons bringing more revenue for Covid

My daughter is in Jacksonville Beach, FL and just says there's a "bunch" of cases new in the beach area which was one of the first spots to try open bars. Have to say close contact bars wouldn't be where I'd be found anywhere.

What bothers me is the numbers just say "people" 90% of the time. That covers a lot of ground. No good demographics. Which people? Already I'm hearing its racist to list "migrant workers" as a category. Fill in the blank on living conditions and social habits. Same for inner city public housing downtown with 8 people in a 2 bedroom with unknown outside activities. That is high risk. Is that a large part of the numbers? That's not racist. That's just a reasonable question.


I'm in Rowan. My work area covers the greater Charlotte metro area though. Gov Cooper likes to stir the pot with panic and fear and the media seems hell bent on making it into a panic regardless of how non-lethal it is.



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Originally Posted by Kodiakisland
Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Hydroxychloroquine is great on arthritis. Doctors in Texas was saying it worked. I do not know. I am not a doctor.


I'm a clinical hospital pharmacist and am really ambivalent about it. If the doc wants to use it, fine, if not, fine. The few times we've actually used it was more of a why not than a real belief it works. If I get CD19 and start to get short of breath and my doc wants to prescribe it, I'd take it, but not with azithromycin, I'd also be OK not taking it by itself. The data varies and it's really opinion at this point whether it works or not and if it does, when and how much is at question.

Again though, the vast majority of people who test positive don't need anything other than a few tylenol and some cough syrup at most.


Good to get first hand input from a professional.

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Originally Posted by UNCCGrad
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Reports everywhere of Covid cases on the rise which with the added testing available and "protests" by those under 35 can only be expected. Governors and local govts re-closing businesses, parks, beaches etc but I'm not hearing that hospitalizations are sharply rising. It's like saying you're getting more rain after you put up a rain gauge. If you're scared, then keep your ass at home while the rest of us keep trying to make a living.

What's going on with hospitalizations and/or deaths near you?
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Your ID looks like you're a UNC Charlotte grad maybe still in Mecklenberg Co? If so I can tell you that the next county north, Iredell, as of Thursday has had 672 confirmed, 17 currently hospitalized in our 3 hospitals, and 9 dead. 253 positive and self quarantined. Have heard "reports" from a few personnel in nearby areas that if a patient dies with flu like symptoms it's listed Covid if at all possible. Some things heard are questionable, such as elevated reimbursement / govt add ons bringing more revenue for Covid

My daughter is in Jacksonville Beach, FL and just says there's a "bunch" of cases new in the beach area which was one of the first spots to try open bars. Have to say close contact bars wouldn't be where I'd be found anywhere.

What bothers me is the numbers just say "people" 90% of the time. That covers a lot of ground. No good demographics. Which people? Already I'm hearing its racist to list "migrant workers" as a category. Fill in the blank on living conditions and social habits. Same for inner city public housing downtown with 8 people in a 2 bedroom with unknown outside activities. That is high risk. Is that a large part of the numbers? That's not racist. That's just a reasonable question.


I'm in Rowan. My work area covers the greater Charlotte metro area though. Gov Cooper likes to stir the pot with panic and fear and the media seems hell bent on making it into a panic regardless of how non-lethal it is.


Cooper's pumping it alright. Used it to screw the Republican Convention quite well. But hey, we got a Black Lives Matter multiclecolored murial on a major downtown street that's now blocked for traffic. Guess that's a lot better than the millions in profit the Convention would have brought in for Charlotte business not to mention surrounding areas. When he try's to be serious and get people to believe him he reminds me of Mr Rogers.


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Re: Should we not be looking at hospitalization numbers? [Re: UNCCGrad] #15004269 06/27/20
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To share some numbers for Arkansas. As a state we are having a huge increase in positives that mostly come from poultry plants and prisons. Of course those people interact with other people and then it becomes community spread, so they are a concern even though most of the numbers come from a small area.

First off, we know many people have no symptoms and will not get tested unless they are forced to by their job. So we know the known positive number is less than the real number. We just don't have any idea what that real number is.
Using the known numbers, Arkansas has a hospitalization rate of 7% and a mortality rate of 1.3%.
Now, lets just say there's at least 20% more positive who haven't been tested, that would reduce those rates to 5.9% and 1.1%. Who knows what the real number is. Maybe it's as high as 50% more who've had it as compared to who's tested positive. The hospitalization and mortality rates could be quite a bit less.

Will be interesting to see where the numbers are several months from now to see if it's trending up or down.


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Originally Posted by shootem

Cooper's pumping it alright. Used it to screw the Republican Convention quite well. But hey, we got a Black Lives Matter multiclecolored murial on a major downtown street that's now blocked for traffic. Guess that's a lot better than the millions in profit the Convention would have brought in for Charlotte business not to mention surrounding areas. When he try's to be serious and get people to believe him he reminds me of Mr Rogers.


How we allow the City to block off a US route for the purpose of defacing state property is beyond me. I'm perfectly fine with the mural as it is an expression of first amendment rights, if they want to do it on City or private property. Cooper should lose Meck Co in November for the damage he did financially by tanking the RNC but that will never happen.



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Here in Anchorage if you are admitted to a Hospital no visitors unless you are 24 hrs from dying, that to me is scary.

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Originally Posted by UNCCGrad
Reports everywhere of Covid cases on the rise which with the added testing available and "protests" by those under 35 can only be expected. Governors and local govts re-closing businesses, parks, beaches etc but I'm not hearing that hospitalizations are sharply rising. It's like saying you're getting more rain after you put up a rain gauge. If you're scared, then keep your ass at home while the rest of us keep trying to make a living.

What's going on with hospitalizations and/or deaths near you?


You should only look at the numbers that they tell you to look at. Also, put your damn mask, be very fearful, and stay glued to the NEWS! They are saving your life. Remember: A good citizen is a citizen who will call 1-800-Brownshirt to report violators.

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Re: Should we not be looking at hospitalization numbers? [Re: Fubarski] #15004473 06/27/20
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Originally Posted by Fubarski
The latest scam is to count everbody in the hospital that has Covid as a "Covid hospitalization".

Every patient in the hospital is tested every day for it, to try and pump up the numbers.

So, look for the next fake news ta be the "people hospitalized with Covid".

They're in the hospital because of appendicitis, broke leg, diabetes or cancer or whatever, but they're counted as "hospitalized with Covid".






Maybe where you are but not so in my county.
It just doesn't look that bad for a population of a little over 2 million and those cities with high fatality numbers have a lot of long term care facilities for old folks and invalids. I think a lot of these surges are just because of increased testing. We really have no idea how many people have had it and never got tested. Just stayed home and fought it off.
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The numbers "spiking" is to keep the panic going. I don't care how high the numbers get, they are doing more testing and have done a LOT. As long as they do that the numbers will go up. Truth is most don't need to even be treated, and 99.5% of the folks will live. So the important numbers aren't the number of covid numbers, as much as the number that die. And the last numbers are going down. Also even the hospitals don't seem to get in a big yank to treat anyone, they make more money if they have to put you on a ventilator and chances are 80% you will die once that happens. I talked to my heart dr the other night and told her if I get it I'm calling her, because I want the hydroxycloroquine and she said she did too, because it works. Actually she got Covid before they even knew about it and was never treated, but her blood tests shows she's had it. She thought she had pneumonia and it didn't last long. I've only known a few people that have got it, but only one was treated. The goal is to keep people in a panic mode and figure out how difficult the general population is to control. That is their goal. Count on another "crisis" before election time, and them trying to control the majority of people. If they can create another crisis they can push the mail in ballots so they can cheat, which is already being put in place. They will literally do ANYTHING they have to, to beat Trump.

^^^THIS They can now demand mail in voting, and cancellation of all debates.

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A few public treason trials would fix this problem quickly.

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IDGAF about the hospital numbers, dgaf about the dead/recovered age numbers, all I want to see Jan. 2 2021 is the total number deaths in this country for the year 2020 compared to the total deaths in 2019, those are the only numbers that will matter, and will identify the fraud that is the kung fu flu.

If the demo-commies are able to steal the election, that revelation wont matter either, ALL will be lost.


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