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Re: Russia offered Afghan militants bounties to kill U.S. troops: NY Times [Re: JamesJr] #15005605 06/28/20
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Originally Posted by JamesJr
But................I thought the general consensus on the Campfire was that Russia and Putin were our friends.



??? Does it hurt when you try to think?


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Re: Russia offered Afghan militants bounties to kill U.S. troops: NY Times [Re: NVhntr] #15005780 06/28/20
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Originally Posted by NVhntr
Yep, we backed the Mujahideen against the Russians. I’m sure they didn’t care for the money and weapons we furnished the Afghans. We might have been better off to have minded our own business.


The current game being played goes a lot further back and is way more convoluted than that. The list of game board moves is, um..., lengthy.

And, arguably, began in Iran 1952/53. Korea, Indochina, Nicaragua, Cuba, Zaire, Angola, Chile, Paraguay, Peru,... ... ...

And it's been almost tit for tat in the mid-east and central Asia...


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One of the more historically interesting moves in said game was the assassination of Anastasio Somoza, Asuncion, 1980. The U.S. and it's "friend for a day" foreign policy at it's best.

And a telling part of the Carter administration legacy...


"Chances Will Be Taken"

If you could reason with a Democrat there wouldn't be any Democrats...
Re: Russia offered Afghan militants bounties to kill U.S. troops: NY Times [Re: Lennie] #15005816 06/28/20
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And not to mention that the U.S. Air Force dropped the FFL into Kolwezi, Zaire 1978...


"Chances Will Be Taken"

If you could reason with a Democrat there wouldn't be any Democrats...
Re: Russia offered Afghan militants bounties to kill U.S. troops: NY Times [Re: Lennie] #15006178 06/28/20
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Originally Posted by johnw
... assassination of Anastasio Somoza, Asuncion, 1980. The U.S. and it's "friend for a day" foreign policy at it's best.
..


You don't think the Somoza Dynasty painted a target on
on its own back after assisting the US Bay of Pigs....

The Shan of Iran was another who created his own
problems through his delusions and sham reforms
and the tyranny the CIA and SAVAK unleashed on
the Iranian people.
All together such efforts didn't do much to keep the
Shah on good terms.




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Re: Russia offered Afghan militants bounties to kill U.S. troops: NY Times [Re: Lennie] #15006195 06/28/20
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This whole thing is fake news.

Do you really think... you have to pay the Afghan Militants to kill Americans ? Really now....

That is what they are doing already.... They live for that [bleep]...

The source the NYT is quoting is " anonymous " it's fake news.


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Re: Russia offered Afghan militants bounties to kill U.S. troops: NY Times [Re: mikieb] #15006339 06/28/20
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The U.S. and Russia have been clashing since WW2. Russia has been bitter about their mindless experience in Afghanistan that was a significant factor in the demise of the USSR. The USA provided support to the muj that tipped the scales and the russkis are happy to return the favor. We should have left that schidthole to the Afghans after leading the Northern Alliance in kicking the ass of the Taliban. Nation building in these cultures is not possible and we should restrict our military to punitive expeditions. Go in, achieve the objective that best serves us then let the indigs to build the life that suits them.


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Re: Russia offered Afghan militants bounties to kill U.S. troops: NY Times [Re: lvmiker] #15006571 06/28/20
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Originally Posted by lvmiker
Originally Posted by JamesJr
But................I thought the general consensus on the Campfire was that Russia and Putin were our friends.



??? Does it hurt when you try to think?


mike r


I think James was being sarcastic, and pointing out how dumb that sounds....


Originally Posted by jorgeI
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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Why would this surprise anyone? True or not, it's what the Russians do.

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Re: Russia offered Afghan militants bounties to kill U.S. troops: NY Times [Re: Lennie] #15006928 06/29/20
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I think you lot have missed the big picture here...the dems are just pissed at the Russians stealing their thunder, probably out-bid them.


These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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Ever ponder what a darn shame Russia and even much of Africa are.

Russia in particular.
Loaded with natural resources,
Intelligent, reasonably educated people.
All the things that build a strong, successful economy and nation.
Hindered by corruption, and a culture of poverty.

Africa, well, they have resources and a lot of people, and again
success is stopped dead by corruption.

Then look at our country.
What happened here to change our ancestors from serf to independent men.
Was it the accumulation of adventurers that came here. The sudden unnatural
condensation of that spirit that led to independence and the desire for everyone
to be free?

I think too much, and ain't smart enough to answer the questions generated.


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Only to God!

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Re: Russia offered Afghan militants bounties to kill U.S. troops: NY Times [Re: Lennie] #15007286 06/29/20
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Well surprise, surprise, surprise..............................
The Department of National Intelligence doesn't know what the hell the Times is talking about.

https://twitter.com/ODNIgov/status/1277079117234651141

Believing ANYTHING coming from the main stream media is ignorant. ................Oh, and Fox is main stream.

Re: Russia offered Afghan militants bounties to kill U.S. troops: NY Times [Re: Dillonbuck] #15007295 06/29/20
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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Ever ponder what a darn shame Russia and even much of Africa are.

Russia in particular.
Loaded with natural resources,
Intelligent, reasonably educated people.
All the things that build a strong, successful economy and nation.
Hindered by corruption, and a culture of poverty.

Africa, well, they have resources and a lot of people, and again
success is stopped dead by corruption.

Then look at our country.
What happened here to change our ancestors from serf to independent men.
Was it the accumulation of adventurers that came here. The sudden unnatural
condensation of that spirit that led to independence and the desire for everyone
to be free?

I think too much, and ain't smart enough to answer the questions generated.




I've heard it posited that the problem with Russians is that they prefer to be ruled. Beyond a certain amount of personal freedom, they want their decisions made for them by chiefs or czars.

They also have a massive inferiority complex, which makes them pugnacious when it comes to other countries. They don't get no respec'!!

Re: Russia offered Afghan militants bounties to kill U.S. troops: NY Times [Re: Lennie] #15007322 06/29/20
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You guys crack me up.

4 pages of posts about Trump vs Russian because of a just another NYT Fake News story.

When are you going to learn that everything, every article, every word that comes from the NYT as far as Trump is concerned, is fake.


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Military funding against Russia / America in Afghanistan... well that’s new (NOT)...

New’s people have the shortest term memory (purposefully).... I have ever seen these days.

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Here is a simple and 100% accurate overview. 2 tidbits of truth you can believe more then believing tomorrow the sun will come up on the eastern horizon.

First: Communists lie! They need to lie because history, math, facts and truth do not favor their agenda, so lying is all they have to drum up support.

Second: The New York Times is to the left of Pravda and will lie even more then the Russian "news".

Would the Russian pay anyone to kill American military personnel? Yes, but ONLY at a time and for a reason that would benefit them, and I am doubtful they dislike Americans more then Afghans. Right now is probably not such a time.

Would the New York Times lie? Yup.......Close to 100% and about everything, with the regularity of the sunrise. Trying to gain support for any communist leaning policy they can at all times. And if they can convince readers the Russians are trying to get more Americans killed in Afghanistan they will then tell them all it's somehow Trump's fault. Think that's a stretch? Watch and see.

The NYT will tell you that you need to feel guilty for being white, being educated, being Christian, being wealthy, not being queer, not giving superior rights to blacks, homosexuals, women and invaders, and not paying the Democrats enough to cool down the sun's effects in warming the planet. Not believing the Communist party line ...??? well that kind of thinking will kill everyone on earth....just like the Covid 19 will do, and nuclear war, and AIDS, and driving SUVs ,and the ownership of guns, and believing in personal responsibility----- and that free speech should only be as free as a Democrat says, at the time they say so, and disagreeing with the Dem/Comms is a crime that needs to be punished harshly. None of that is exaggerated either.

Only a super fool (far more foolish then a "regular fool") with NO understanding of any history, (especially the history of communism and the Democrat party) would believe them about anything.

But unfortunately there is no shortage of super-fools in the USA with a lot of them being in NY and other communist strongholds. If they were not fools they would not have given up their freedoms and demanded government rule over them.

Think that's harsh?

Well remember AOC won an election in N.Y and Schumer has many, many times, which means there are only 2 possibilities.

Lets look at AOC and think for just a minute.

She won! So the 2 possibilities are:
#1 ---She was smarter than those she convinced to vote for her (and she is legendary for her stupid comments and beliefs).. Who is the bigger fool? The fool or those that would follow and obey a fool?

Or #2 ----She "won" by the very typical vote fraud so commonly used by the Dem,/Comms, and that means the voters there were fooled by her and her communist party OR that they really know it was fraud and don't care enough to do something about it.

The second possibility if FAR worse then the 1st one. Foolishness mixed with apathy and/or cowardice is FAR worse then simple foolishness. Hence >>>>"Super-fools"


But to finish up ----------- just remember the NYT loves to sing the praise of AOC and her "vision" to their readers.

Getting truth from the NYT is about as likely as getting good healthy food from septic tank, and even more toxic.

Anyone here on the 24 H CF.foolish enough to think the New York Times is a source of truth?

(yeah....................I know, there actually are at least a few )

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Take time to watch Charlie Wilson’s war. Story how US supplied weapons to fight Russians.
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Fake News.


Communist Goals

26. Present homosexuality and degeneracy as normal.
27. Discredit the Bible.
28. Eliminate prayer in the schools.

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Im sure the NYT will soon say that Trump was involved.


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Originally Posted by szihn


Would the Russian pay anyone to kill American military personnel? Yes, but ONLY at a time and for a reason that would benefit them, and I am doubtful they dislike Americans more then Afghans. Right now is probably not such a time.


With constant proxy wars and sinister game
playing , Can you eleborate on why now is not
such a time?

Try and keep it short sweet and rational rather
than going off into another rant.



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