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I don't know about coastal grizzlies but I live with the mountain type. I get these bears around the farm and they track up to the house if we leave dog food out at night. I keep a Browning BLR/ .450 fairly handy as a portable noise maker , yeah it bucks pretty hard...oh well. They like elk calves, chickens and dog food ...in that order....and love rancid carcasses of all flavors. The .450 is my choice up close, 350 grain Barnes original.
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There is no substitute for being competent and comfortable with whatever rifle, or handgun or binoculars you choose to defend yourself with.
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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Phil have you shot the 375 Weatherby yet.? MB
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Phil have you shot the 375 Weatherby yet.? MB Not this one
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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Here is my bear rifle for what its worth ,375 H&H pre 64 action 22" bbl. My peep sight never fogged up once Huntable Brown bears are a 15 minute boat ride away for me here. Shooting 260gr Partitions. with 67gr of 4064, Thats all i can handle accurately and repeatedly out of the rifle, I am 6' 4" 245lbs. If your eyes close before the firing pin hits the primer go to a smaller caliber. Recoil struggle is real '
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Here is my bear rifle for what its worth ,375 H&H pre 64 action 22" bbl. My peep sight never fogged up once Huntable Brown bears are a 15 minute boat ride away for me here. Shooting 260gr Partitions. with 67gr of 4064, Thats all i can handle accurately and repeatedly out of the rifle, I am 6' 4" 245lbs. If your eyes close before the firing pin hits the primer go to a smaller caliber. Recoil struggle is real ' Physics is a bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes, a person has to know their recoil limit.
The 375 I own is a joy to shoot. Have shot over a 100 rounds in practice muItiple times at the range. Took 300gr TSX's at 2500 fps to Africa as a back up to my 404 J for buffalo. Even though I felt a 270gr would be just fine, and had a great shooting load at 2800fps. PH recommended 300gr. Pretty significant trip in both time and money. Why would I not listen to him? Did not matter to me one bit.
He did prefer an over 40 caliber for buffalo though.
If I would ever take my 375 on a big bear hunt, I would just switch to a NAB. But I would prefer to take my 338-06, as I stated previously.
Phil, in your experience. Would you say bears are physically softer, and it is better to use bonded or partition style bullets over the tougher monometal bullets? Similar to buffalo vs cats in Africa. I know this is nitpicking, as either style of bullet in the right place will work
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I’ve used a 375HH and have no complaints with it. People can bicker all day long but in then end people have found a way to make most anything work, I chose the 375HH and have no plans to change.
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30-06, 180-200 grain NW Black bears are not really all that big.
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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A guided hunt is not that critical regarding caliber: bring whatever.
Step one: guide buzzes around natural feed troughs in bush plane(salmon stream choked with spawning salmon).
Step 2: Guide drops down closest to area with most bear density
Step 3: With almost no walking involved, guide puts tender footed city slicker on big scary bear.
Step 4: City slicker shoots big scary bear (clean kill is optional)
Step 5 Guide mops up mess keeps mouth shut, many thousand of dollars involved.
Step 6 Take picture so that it makes big scary bear look even more bigger and scary.
Step 7 City slicker goes home, tells war story about big scary bear, if gun writer: writes three dozen worthless articles about how amazing all his gear is.
Step 8 Repeat.
What ah fkn joke-show. I could never do it.
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Mainer in Alaska I wish you had a different attitude about hunting Alaska. I have read your stuff since you joined. I would love.to hunt with you. Maybe someday.
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A guided hunt is not that critical regarding caliber: bring whatever.
Step one: guide buzzes around natural feed troughs in bush plane(salmon stream choked with spawning salmon).
Step 2: Guide drops down closest to area with most bear density
Step 3: With almost no walking involved, guide puts tender footed city slicker on big scary bear.
Step 4: City slicker shoots big scary bear (clean kill is optional)
Step 5 Guide mops up mess keeps mouth shut, many thousand of dollars involved.
Step 6 Take picture so that it makes big scary bear look even more bigger and scary.
Step 7 City slicker goes home, tells war story about big scary bear, if gun writer: writes three dozen worthless articles about how amazing all his gear is.
Step 8 Repeat.
What ah fkn joke-show. I could never do it. Me either ! How many like that have you actually been on ? Or witnessed ?
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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So far my personal minimum is a 9x19
Having read the "story", and knowing a bit about your background, I'd say that your "guest" were exceedingly lucky that you were able to manage the situation to achieve the best possible outcome !!! I expect time slowed down for you, at least a bit, as the event was happening. (Love your writing) Woody
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A guided hunt is not that critical regarding caliber: bring whatever.
Step one: guide buzzes around natural feed troughs in bush plane(salmon stream choked with spawning salmon).
Step 2: Guide drops down closest to area with most bear density
Step 3: With almost no walking involved, guide puts tender footed city slicker on big scary bear.
Step 4: City slicker shoots big scary bear (clean kill is optional)
Step 5 Guide mops up mess keeps mouth shut, many thousand of dollars involved.
Step 6 Take picture so that it makes big scary bear look even more bigger and scary.
Step 7 City slicker goes home, tells war story about big scary bear, if gun writer: writes three dozen worthless articles about how amazing all his gear is.
Step 8 Repeat.
What ah fkn joke-show. I could never do it. What do you mean, "There is no Santa Claus"...?!!!
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So far my personal minimum is a 9x19
Having read the "story", and knowing a bit about your background, I'd say that your "guest" were exceedingly lucky that you were able to manage the situation to achieve the best possible outcome !!! I expect time slowed down for you, at least a bit, as the event was happening. (Love your writing) Woody In situations like that time does take on a different realm. Unfortunately so does your reaction time and fine motor skills. But you are right that there was a certain amount of luck involved. One of the primary ones being the two teenage daughters had decided to stay in camp with my daughter. The fact that both parents saw what was happening and simply grabbed each other and fell back without a sound was a blessing .
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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Interesting comment that. Do you believe that bear would have killed you all had you not stopped it?
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My ss ruger 9.3x62 with 286 nps would get the nod were it my hunt. Excellent choice and is what I would use. I've never shot anything heavier than a Speer 270 grain hot core in my 9.3 but I like your choice of 286 grain Partitions.
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I don't have a .375 H&H but always liked it, and would own one if I had need. Carried a pre 64 M70 on FS Trail Crew many decades ago. Helluva porcupine gun at 2am on tent cabin chewing SOBs that then run up a tree. Sometimes 2 or 3 a night. The rain of quills is quite impressive. I'm 150 # and can handle the recoil. Less mass resistance than you big bastids. Go with the flow. But then, I never shot it off the bench... probably where a lot of shooters hone their flinch.
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A guided hunt is not that critical regarding caliber: bring whatever.
Step one: guide buzzes around natural feed troughs in bush plane(salmon stream choked with spawning salmon).
Step 2: Guide drops down closest to area with most bear density
Step 3: With almost no walking involved, guide puts tender footed city slicker on big scary bear.
Step 4: City slicker shoots big scary bear (clean kill is optional)
Step 5 Guide mops up mess keeps mouth shut, many thousand of dollars involved.
Step 6 Take picture so that it makes big scary bear look even more bigger and scary.
Step 7 City slicker goes home, tells war story about big scary bear, if gun writer: writes three dozen worthless articles about how amazing all his gear is.
Step 8 Repeat.
What ah fkn joke-show. I could never do it. Says the guy that takes "stunt shots" at moose....
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The rain of quills is quite impressive. That is hilarious!
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