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I honestly dont have an aversion to using foriegn wpns.
Shot alot of em on planet, not just sovbloc stuff.
Alot of nato platforms in germany from 86 to 88.
And my 1st tour in korea 89 to 90.
Part of the job was foriegn wpns training with allies and enemy wpns.
Always enjoyed foriegn wpns training and paid attention.
Didnt blow schitt off like many did during training like that.
Realized if schitt ever hit the fan and my wpn took a puke. I better be able to use what I could find if available and keep it running.

I will own an A2 again someday soon and call it all good.
AR,s just bore me currently. thats the only reason why I dont have one right now.

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Originally Posted by gregintenn
Why is the SKS always overlooked in these discussions? I believe they are a better built and less expensive option to distribute 7.62 projectiles.

For sure.


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Top pushed us hard on OPFOR operations and equipment in 3rd ID '86-'88. Him being a multi-tour 'Nam vet had lots to do with that motivation, I think. Commie or NATO, it was MANDATORY we knew our stuff.

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I learned alot from my 1st sqd ldr at carson 84 to 86.
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Black dude from NYC , mini fro and a t bird with curb finders on it.
I know I emulated his leadership style thru out my career.
You either perform to or above the standard in everything or you were a schitbird no matter what color you were.
I'm pretty sure I passed on alot of SSG Dunn to my joes during my time.
Been going on since Von Stueben hit valley forge and jerked a knot in the Continental Army,s azz and got em trained up to go toe to toe with the redcoats.

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Renegade,
I thought of that pic when I was reading the OP.

I was surprised though that it didn't mention what superdave alluded to:
It's tolerance for cycling with dirty ammunition.

I remember reading articles about the problems with the early 16s and that that the 7.62x39 is the key to the A's dirt tolerance...


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Originally Posted by Huntz
Originally Posted by gregintenn
Why is the SKS always overlooked in these discussions? I believe they are a better built and less expensive option to distribute 7.62 projectiles.

For sure.

Love ta find one of the 70 or 71 yugo,s with the CL barrel.
Very limited run of them made.
Slumlord has a Pretty Cool Norinco 66 factory SKS IIRC


Couple weeks ago at the range, a guy had a really nice yugo that was night sighted and grenade launcher set up.
He was single shotting it and couldnt figure it out.

I asked him what was up with his wpn.
Said it wasnt feeding the 2nd round or ejecting the 1st
He had just gotten it for 350 from a friend who had got it from his grandfathers collection.

Really really nice condition rifle .
Cosmetic around 90%+
#,s all matching,


Dude had the gas button in the the top postion for grenade launch .
Instead of at 45 on the right for semi.
Also showed him he was using the big ole blob night sights.

Told him get on the web and learn how to dissemble and clean and assemble it.

Went back to shooting my AK.

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If a man will own 9 CZ rifles in .222 rem, and 3 gun safes full of inheritance baby guns, he can stash an AK in a back corner of a closet without catching the gay.

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Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea
Renegade,
I thought of that pic when I was reading the OP.

I was surprised though that it didn't mention what superdave alluded to:
It's tolerance for cycling with dirty ammunition.

I remember reading articles about the problems with the early 16s and that that the 7.62x39 is the key to the A's dirt tolerance...

Lot of soldiers died in veitnam cause early 16,s didnt have a CL chamber.
Failure to extract issues big time.
That and rumour that ya didnt have to clean them when they got fielded intially and they didnt have cleaning kits with em at 1st also.

Logistics, manufacturing, and training for the platform was lacking big time in the beginning.
Lots of guys paid for it with their life.....

They got it straightened out thru trial and error.
Its our longest running platform in the military outside of the MA duece.
They have proposed replacing both many times.
Aint hapoened yet.
Both have been improved over the decades.
Why replace something that works.


Cause congressmen and senators and retired mil types with connections to the defense industry want too.....

Benjamins for them all around and jobs in their districts.....

Bout the only thing mil AR,s need is good 77 grain bullets for more punch at range.
They have addressed that.

But good idea fairy,s always wanta spew schitt outta their pieholes for benjamins....

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Originally Posted by slumlord
If a man will own 9 CZ rifles in .222 rem, and 3 gun safes full of inheritance baby guns, he can stash an AK in a back corner of a closet without catching the gay.

LOL!!!

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I think it would be cool to have something that eats cheap 7.62x39 but as mentioned by others, a decent AK costs more than an AR these days. I could get an upper for one of my ARs but I’d imagine it would be all picky about eating the cheap steel cased ammo. SKS rifles are selling $300-$400 for a beat to schit looking rack grade. What else is there? Ruger mini 30?

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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Originally Posted by RemModel8
....Adding a couple of uppers/rifles in 7.62 for 'cheaper' ammo is akin to spending $40k that gets 40mpg over your current vehicle that gets 25mpg....


$40K??!!..........I picked up my uppers for under $300 each at PSA.



Are your uppers able to carry you and the family to the market? Savvy? The $40K that gets 40mpg (that is miles per gallon) refers to a vehicle.

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Originally Posted by RemModel8
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Originally Posted by RemModel8
....Adding a couple of uppers/rifles in 7.62 for 'cheaper' ammo is akin to spending $40k that gets 40mpg over your current vehicle that gets 25mpg....


$40K??!!..........I picked up my uppers for under $300 each at PSA.



Are your uppers able to carry you and the family to the market? Savvy? The $40K that gets 40mpg (that is miles per gallon) refers to a vehicle.


Oh, you can get around in an automobile?....who knew?

Your comparison makes no sense whatsoever.

A $279 upper and 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 for $250 dollars. it is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't.

It damn sure ain't anything to do with a $40K automobile.

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I'd have an AK if I good find a good one.

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It looks like Cabalas gets way over 1400 for one?


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
It looks like Cabalas gets way over 1400 for one?


Richard, I think Cabelas is overpriced on anything they sell.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Originally Posted by RemModel8
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Originally Posted by RemModel8
....Adding a couple of uppers/rifles in 7.62 for 'cheaper' ammo is akin to spending $40k that gets 40mpg over your current vehicle that gets 25mpg....


$40K??!!..........I picked up my uppers for under $300 each at PSA.



Are your uppers able to carry you and the family to the market? Savvy? The $40K that gets 40mpg (that is miles per gallon) refers to a vehicle.


Oh, you can get around in an automobile?....who knew?

Your comparison makes no sense whatsoever.

A $279 upper and 1000 rounds of 7.62x39 for $250 dollars. it is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't.

It damn sure ain't anything to do with a $40K automobile.




How much 5.56 ammo can you buy for $279

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Right James, I have a slew of club points. If our granddaughter's collage graduation would have been held on seclude, I might have used some on a Browning 22 auto handgun. I still plan to.


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I like the AR's better than the AK. But the AK could definitely come in handy if need be. I bought it in 1994 right before the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban for $600.00.


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
Right James, I have a slew of club points. If our granddaughter's collage graduation would have been held on seclude, I might have used some on a Browning 22 auto handgun. I still plan to.



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