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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: Tarquin] #15013055 07/01/20
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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: 1Akshooter] #15013169 07/01/20
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Originally Posted by 1Akshooter
I worked with a guy long ago that had a .300 Win. Mag. made up for a Dall sheep hunt. It had a heavy 27 inch barrel and a big scope and weighed right at 12 pounds. He said it shot wonderfully. I don 't believe he ever got a sheep, but he tried hard and logged many a steep and wet mile on his hunt. We all be different and my high weight retaining Barnes X monos have always delivered, as did the Nosler Partitions.

I always thought a M1 Garrand made into a .35 Whelan would make a superb big bear gun, ain't like they ain't reliable. Just a bit heavy for my old butt. Might as well leave it so it can accept a bayonet just in case.


My M98 with 27" bbl weighs in about 11 lbs. Maybe a couple ounces more- I'd have to put it on the digital bathroom scale again to refresh memory. 1" groups at 300 ain't bad, but I'm not taking it sheep hunting if I ever go again, but it worked fine off the snow machine in Kotzebue for caribou for several years. I did take it caribou hunting last year off the Steese- but that was only a mile and a half hike, and maybe 1600 feet elevation climb. Not going this year tho. My "new" Mod 70 XTR in 7X57 gets the call, and the Win 94, and the 725 with fixt extractor (used as a single shot last year on those 40-mile caribou).

I'm a heathen, I guess. When Dave let me handle Big Nan, it was cool - but pretty much just another gun to me, history not-withstanding.

Nice gun.


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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: Tarquin] #15013238 07/01/20
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Last time I used a Remington Custom Shop KS in 338 RUM, but that was for Mountain Grizzly, which can mean long range. When I go again, I'll take my Winchester Model 70 stainless synthetic in 375 H&H with its Docter 3-9x40 on it.

Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: Tarquin] #15014011 07/01/20
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So far my personal minimum is a 9x19


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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: 458Win] #15014163 07/01/20
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Originally Posted by 458Win
So far my personal minimum is a 9x19

laugh

I'm sure it's not your best recommendation. wink

But, in that situation, sure beat bear spray...

I wonder how many could have pulled that off...

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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: 458Win] #15014595 07/01/20
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Originally Posted by 458Win
So far my personal minimum is a 9x19


That's funny! laugh
At least you can say you have BTDT !!!!!


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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: Dirtfarmer] #15014677 07/01/20
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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by 458Win
So far my personal minimum is a 9x19

laugh

I'm sure it's not your best recommendation. wink

But, in that situation, sure beat bear spray...

I wonder how many could have pulled that off...

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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: Tarquin] #15014711 07/01/20
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I missed the original story, Phil, but over time got the gist.

How many of that 9mm magazine did you use? And to reference old Ron the Drunk Comedian - How many did you plan to use? smile


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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: las] #15014782 07/01/20
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Originally Posted by las
I missed the original story, Phil, but over time got the gist.

How many of that 9mm magazine did you use? And to reference old Ron the Drunk Comedian - How many did you plan to use? smile


I still had one round left in the 8 round magazine.
But it's not an event I recommend ! But relying on any handgun for bear protection is like wearing a life preserver in a boat or keeping a fire extinguisher in the home. You hope you never need them and they are a last ditch effort.

As soon as I could hear the bear huffing and charging through the brush I was wishing for my 458.


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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: Tarquin] #15014872 07/02/20
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I think DG guides like you, Phil, have experience based upon multiple encounters which leaves most of us shaking our heads. I know it does me. I want to ask what may be a couple of esoteric questions: first, when a large, apex predator comes a'calllin' at a high rate of speed do you recall if your vision tunnels and time has that slowing down experience? Second, I have never been charged by anything except a buck raccoon who got his just desserts while you have reported being charged on multiple occasions by bears. In the aftermath, I wonder if there is a momentary, crystalline recognition of the fragility of one's own life and how sweet and pure life is? In other words, most of us can figure out intellectually that being alive beats the alternative but I suspect a peak experience (albeit one you did not go looking for) like a determined bear charge must make it very clear in those moments afterward?


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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: 458Win] #15014949 07/02/20
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Originally Posted by 458Win
So far my personal minimum is a 9x19


LOLOLOLOL

That was mother nature’s version of the cardio stress test:
“Good news Mr. Shoemaker - your heart is quite strong”




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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: ironbender] #15015464 07/02/20
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Originally Posted by ironbender
These type threads are classic.

Pay most attention to the advice of those from down in America who have never seen a brown bear, but know what to shoot.


Same thing happens with Slope jobs around here.


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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: bluefish] #15015793 07/02/20
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Originally Posted by bluefish
I think DG guides like you, Phil, have experience based upon multiple encounters which leaves most of us shaking our heads. I know it does me. I want to ask what may be a couple of esoteric questions: first, when a large, apex predator comes a'calllin' at a high rate of speed do you recall if your vision tunnels and time has that slowing down experience? Second, I have never been charged by anything except a buck raccoon who got his just desserts while you have reported being charged on multiple occasions by bears. In the aftermath, I wonder if there is a momentary, crystalline recognition of the fragility of one's own life and how sweet and pure life is? In other words, most of us can figure out intellectually that being alive beats the alternative but I suspect a peak experience (albeit one you did not go looking for) like a determined bear charge must make it very clear in those moments afterward?


Events like that do tend to focus your attention and I still find it amazing how quickly thoughts pass through your mind. I guess that helps sort out your triage. I vividly remember thinking to keep track of the clients and not shoot if there was a chance of a pass through.


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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: Tarquin] #15015872 07/02/20
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Thanks, Phil.


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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: Clydesdale] #15015884 07/02/20
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Originally Posted by Clydesdale
Originally Posted by ironbender
These type threads are classic.

Pay most attention to the advice of those from down in America who have never seen a brown bear, but know what to shoot.


Same thing happens with Slope jobs around here.


From two posters that have added absolutely NOTHING to the conversation.


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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: Tarquin] #15016001 07/02/20
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My Grandfather killed a number of them in the 30s and 40s and swore by the 30-06 with 180s. I know a gent in Canada that like the 303 with 180s iirc and he had bagged several as well.

Personally? I’d be confident and comfortable with a 7-08 and 160s as a good solid minimum. My personal ideal choice would be my 308 with 180s @2700fps. I’d have zero hesitation with that combo for anything in N America

You don’t need a cannon...you need penetration and shot placement as with any game animal. You will not impress a 1000lb bear with any amount of ft/lbs. I base this off of the opinions of the masters...like Phil above and my experience on heavy game though no brown bears

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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: CRS] #15016119 07/02/20
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Originally Posted by CRS
Originally Posted by Clydesdale
Originally Posted by ironbender
These type threads are classic.

Pay most attention to the advice of those from down in America who have never seen a brown bear, but know what to shoot.


Same thing happens with Slope jobs around here.


From two posters that have added absolutely NOTHING to the conversation.

You don't read very well.


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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: ironbender] #15016210 07/02/20
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Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by CRS
Originally Posted by Clydesdale
Originally Posted by ironbender
These type threads are classic.

Pay most attention to the advice of those from down in America who have never seen a brown bear, but know what to shoot.


Same thing happens with Slope jobs around here.


From two posters that have added absolutely NOTHING to the conversation.

You don't read very well.

A good reader would notice his own virtue signaling.


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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: Sitka deer] #15016281 07/02/20
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Thought it that or the pesky reading comprehension. 😉


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Re: Minimum caliber for Coastal Brown Bear... [Re: ironbender] #15016377 07/02/20
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Originally Posted by ironbender
Thought it that or the pesky reading comprehension. 😉


I comprehend the fact just fine, that you have added nothing to this thread. grin


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