|
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,196
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 19,196 |
I’m old school too, but having said that, I’ve used a lot of different powders in loading 223/5.56. I like ball powders, mostly because they meter so easy. I’ve loaded up good accurate loads using W748 and H335.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,462
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,462 |
Everyday run them thru the AR 55gr. ammo is loaded with whatever small rifle primer I grab off the bench and 25.5gr. of TAC. Mixed headstamp brass tumbled and trimmed!
Elk Country
"I refuse to waste my common sense on those who have been educated beyond their intelligence"
All you need to know about Democrats is they call American citizens "Deplorables" and illegal immigrants "Dreamers"!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 17,297
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 17,297 |
If a guy had unlimited funds and was worried about looting rioters, I'd certainly go with 62 gr Tsx as fast as I could push them.
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 56,082
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 56,082 |
DD
What do you have against ball powder? Nothing, except in my M16. It was one of the principal reason that -16’s were jamming in the early days of Nam. It fouled badly. It has also been my observation that ball powders in sporting guns tends to foul a bit more that stick powders. Do I use it? Sure, but I discriminate based on precision. Ball doesn’t win often.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 11,493
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 11,493 |
For accuracy and reliability all the match shooters used to load 24.0 grains of Varget with either Sierra's 69 grain Match King or the 77 grain one. Bucks the wind better and whomps harder at longer ranges than any 55 grain. Assuming you have a free-floating front handguard, if those don't shoot sub-MOA, rebarrel your rifle.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,497
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 11,497 |
After reading through some of this I don't care to walk from the you use as long as somebody sticks a slug and Joe Bob's head
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,475
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,475 |
I have shot many 223 bullets down range in prairie dog towns . We desire the best accuracy we can get. I started with 335 but went looking for something else because
It was so dirty. I have shot several 8# jugs of Accurate 2230 and am very happy with it. If memory serves me Ithink 24 to 25 grains under a 50 or 55 gr bullet was the best.
It worked in all of the rifles I have had .( Cooper, savage, Herters, Remington )
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,208
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,208 |
I start with Ramshot TAC for anything in that caliber range (I use it in my .17 Fireballs, .204 Rugers, .223s, and 22-250s.).
Meters like water, cheap, clean, and consistent.
Last edited by duck911; 07/03/20.
The DIPCHIT ADD, after a morning of drinking:
You despair, repeatedly, constantly! daily basis? A despair ninny. Sack up, despire ninny.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,208
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,208 |
A few examples, 100 yard groups, Rock River Arms (20 inch full bull bbl) in .223 Wylde. Pretty typical results (sub .5") from this rifle if I do my part.
The DIPCHIT ADD, after a morning of drinking:
You despair, repeatedly, constantly! daily basis? A despair ninny. Sack up, despire ninny.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,424
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,424 |
I got some very nice groups with accurate 2015 and 60 grain hornadys but you had to trickle the charges because it metered like schidt. 2230 works well also. I kind of lost interest in those two for the small bores when I got my 204. Had trouble getting them into the case.
If you love someone set them free If they come back no one else liked them Set them free again
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,792
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,792 |
223 H335 55 grain FMJ 25 grains actual COL - 2.23 Case length - 1.76
Shoots great in most any weapon.
Conrad101st 1/503 Inf., 2nd ID (90-91) 3/327 Inf., 101st ABN (91-92)
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 13,232
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 13,232 |
Western powders Reloading data for Ramshot X-terminator and Accurate 2230 is identical, they have been the same powder since 2005 when Ramshot acquired Accurate.
From Western Powders website: A2230 Data matches Ramshot X-Terminator I’ve noticed on the updated data for the 7.62×39 (5.0.1) that the powder charges for Ramshot X-Terminator and Accurate 2230 are exactly the same, all entries are exactly the same. Is this correct data for these two powders?
In this case, it is correct. Ramshot X-Terminator and Accurate 2230 are the same powder used by both powder lines. The Lab
Let's Go Brandon! FJB
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,208
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,208 |
To each his own, but X-Terminator is just a tad too fast for my liking.
I prefer TAC, it's just a *bit* slower and more forgiving.
I went through an X-Term/TAC eval period a number of years ago. I saw a lower ES and ED with TAC, but it could just be my rifles.
Use what shoots straight!!
The DIPCHIT ADD, after a morning of drinking:
You despair, repeatedly, constantly! daily basis? A despair ninny. Sack up, despire ninny.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 10,822
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 10,822 |
55 grn Hornady FMJBT over 24/25 grns of WC844 in LC brass
Set off with a CCI SRP
Maker of the Frankenstud Sling Keeper
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 7,102
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 7,102 |
I've slain many, many prairie dogs with the .223, using this recipe.
50gr. V Max 26.0 Benchmark Federal primers FC cases (I don't like 'em, but the price was right).
It shoots good in most rifles with the 1-12" or 1-9" twist. It's not a max load, either, so you can use it in just about anything. Benchmark is this shiznizzle. My load is a bit hotter, very consistent 3365 FPS from a 20” barrel
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 79,321
Campfire Oracle
|
OP
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 79,321 |
Western powders Reloading data for Ramshot X-terminator and Accurate 2230 is identical, they have been the same powder since 2005 when Ramshot acquired Accurate.
From Western Powders website: A2230 Data matches Ramshot X-Terminator I’ve noticed on the updated data for the 7.62×39 (5.0.1) that the powder charges for Ramshot X-Terminator and Accurate 2230 are exactly the same, all entries are exactly the same. Is this correct data for these two powders?
In this case, it is correct. Ramshot X-Terminator and Accurate 2230 are the same powder used by both powder lines. The Lab
My garden variety load is a surplus 55 grain FMJ over 24.5 grains of Ramshot X-Terminator with an OAL of 2.245". Not because it's proven to be superlative. Just that it's somewhere in the ballpark of the old 55 grain military load and X-Terminator meters very well out of a powder measure. I'm very meticulous about my handloads as far as making sure that they're constructed properly,....primer pockets are scratched out,...brass tumbled until it shines,..and of course, I use propellants that are appropriate to the chambering. But I don't dig for the Nth degree of accuracy for ammo that's to be fired from a pencil barrel AR-15 in a defense situation. "Minute of muhfuggah" is plenty good enough,...and a 55 grain FMJ pushed to mach 2.7 with Ramshot X-Terminator seems as if it would fill that role without any problem.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,608
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 7,608 |
80 grainers out of 1:9 barrels going real slow so they tumble like a gymnast sounds kinda cool. 😂😂
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 30,944
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 30,944 |
Here's a few things I've found to work behind 50-55gr Nosler .224 bullets in the 5.56 or Wylde chambers. Hornady bullets typically have greater bearing surface at the same weight, so reduce loads, and work up accroding
28.5gr BLC-2 27.5gr H335 27.5gr TAC.
Most any brass except Federal.
CCI-450 or, when you can get them, S&B small rifle primers. OAL, GI magazine length.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 17,004
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2019
Posts: 17,004 |
Good statistic on bearing surface to file away for later...
Thanks A.S.
-OMotS
"If memory serves fails me..." Quote: ( unnamed) "been prtty deep in the cooler todaay " Television and radio are most effective when people question little and think even less.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 79,321
Campfire Oracle
|
OP
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 79,321 |
I encountered the bearing surface situation with the first .243 load I ever constructed. I used the Hornady 100 grain round nose bullet and H4350. Just to be prudent, I usually start out a good bump below maximum and work my way up.
I didn't have any data for the 100 grain Hornady round nose, so I used load data for a 100 grain spitzer and backed down to 4 grains below maximum. The 100 grain Hornady round nose (now discontinued) was almost *all* bearing surface.
At 4 grains below maximum for 100 grain spitzers in the .243 with H4350, I was getting very flattened primers with the 100 grain round nose bullet.
I knew that the bearing surface of a bullet would affect pressures. Common sense should tell you that. But I was surprised that backing off what amounted to 10% below the maximum data for spitzers still wasn't enough to allow for the additional bearing surface of the 100 grain round nose bullet.
I'm not surprised that Hornady removed it from their offerings.
|
|
|
|
592 members (10gaugemag, 160user, 1936M71, 12344mag, 007FJ, 10ring1, 69 invisible),
2,230
guests, and
1,151
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,191,128
Posts18,464,641
Members73,925
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|