"Wuestenberg then got back out of her car, pointed the gun at Green and Hill, and told her husband to call the police."
That was her big mistake. She should have stayed in the car all called the cops. Paul B.
Yes, from where we sit that’s what she should’ve done. I just think she was already at the limits of her patience so when the peaceful jogger hit her car she lost it...
That was her big mistake. She should have stayed in the car all called the cops. Paul B.
The fact that there might, in your judgment, have been better approaches to the problem presented to this couple doesn't necessarily mean that this woman was in the wrong.
Still waiting to hear back from Mr. Life Long New Yorker.
I actually have a life and had things to do other than stare at a computer all day. FYI, when you mean to say NYC (CITY) police officers, say that. There is a whole lot of NY North and West of the City. Try beating on a State Trooper, a County Sheriff, or some upstate city/town/village cop and you take your chances. No doubt the NYC cops have been told hands off by their command and they are used to getting no support from DeBlasio. If they were to shoot one of his precious constituents, they would fired.
Upstate NYers hate it when people around the Country assume anyone from NY is a NYC resident. When someone talks about NY this or that, I'm thinking the State not the City. In the future if you are talking specifically about NY CITY make that clear by not leaving off the City part; NYC will work.
Feeling threatened isn't enough to justify deadly force (which didn't occur here anyway). For deadly force, your belief that you were threatened must be perceived as reasonable by the standard of the ordinary prudent person, putting themselves in your shoes at that moment. Also, the threat needs to be severe, i.e., to life or limb. The threat must also have been of imminent harm, not harm ten minutes from now, or if you do this or that.
Now we need to address whether those same standards should apply to a threatening display of a gun, and I don't think they should. Seems to me that the totality of the situation justified the gun's threatening display. The blacks were determined to raise a simple disagreement (which they manufactured themselves with the White couple) to the level where some sort of violence would result, so they could harm one or both of them, even extending to placing their bodies in the way of their car as they sought to escape the situation. That could be interpreted as False Imprisonment, which by itself justifies sufficient force to defeat it.
You started off well, but finish off in the rediculous category.
So by putting all reasonable logic and sensibility aside, we can take it that TRH would have felt falsely imprisoned by a girl and would aim his weapon to extricate himself ...😂
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
The self defense dilemma these days is these freaks are unpredictable. Neither the cops or a person caught up in a confrontation cant predict what happens next. A bang with their fist on your car as you are driving away could next be a bullet through the rear window. Theres plenty of videos of peaceful protests turning into riots and plenty more of Traffic stops turning into Leo getting shot at when things seem to be going routine.
Let them over play their hand. Don't overplay yours.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
That was her big mistake. She should have stayed in the car all called the cops. Paul B.
The fact that there might, in your judgment, have been better approaches to the problem presented to this couple doesn't necessarily mean that this woman was in the wrong.
You, of all people, should understand just how wrong she and her husband really were.
I'm pretty confident that if you were in the same situation this would of never spun out of control.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
That was her big mistake. She should have stayed in the car all called the cops. Paul B.
The fact that there might, in your judgment, have been better approaches to the problem presented to this couple doesn't necessarily mean that this woman was in the wrong.
You, of all people, should understand just how wrong she and her husband really were.
I'm pretty confident that if you were in the same situation this would of never spun out of control.
Thanks. You're right. But this is a chick who felt trapped by someone who had already made clear with her own words that violence against her and her husband was her intention.
That was her big mistake. She should have stayed in the car all called the cops. Paul B.
The fact that there might, in your judgment, have been better approaches to the problem presented to this couple doesn't necessarily mean that this woman was in the wrong.
Yep. Too bad it doesn't and won't matter. If a police officer did the same, would that officer be sanctioned or charged? Is there really one set of rules for all?
The self defense dilemma these days is these freaks are unpredictable. Neither the cops or a person caught up in a confrontation cant predict what happens next. A bang with their fist on your car as you are driving away could next be a bullet through the rear window. Theres plenty of videos of peaceful protests turning into riots and plenty more of Traffic stops turning into Leo getting shot at when things seem to be going routine.
Trying to get someone to hit you with a car by placing yourself in the path of the car is trying to force the driver to commit vehicular assault. It is trying to create deadly harm. In that view, anyone who tries to get in my path with the intention of causing harm to me or them through reckless negligence should be charged with felonious assault. I am not sure how the laws are worded, but I know of at least two federal agents and a local sheriff who agreed with me.
The self defense dilemma these days is these freaks are unpredictable. Neither the cops or a person caught up in a confrontation cant predict what happens next. A bang with their fist on your car as you are driving away could next be a bullet through the rear window. Theres plenty of videos of peaceful protests turning into riots and plenty more of Traffic stops turning into Leo getting shot at when things seem to be going routine.
Trying to get someone to hit you with a car by placing yourself in the path of the car is trying to force the driver to commit vehicular assault. It is trying to create deadly harm. In that view, anyone who tries to get in my path with the intention of causing harm to me or them through reckless negligence should be charged with felonious assault. I am not sure how the laws are worded, but I know of at least two federal agents and a local sheriff who agreed with me.
Trying to get someone to hit you with a car by placing yourself in the path of the car is trying to force the driver to commit vehicular assault. It is trying to create deadly harm. In that view, anyone who tries to get in my path with the intention of causing harm to me or them through reckless negligence should be charged with felonious assault. I am not sure how the laws are worded, but I know of at least two federal agents and a local sheriff who agreed with me.
Yep.
Last persons I would trust to interpret law is [out of state] low IQ knucklehead LE.
Michigan Penal Code section 750.82 defines felonious assault as assaulting another person - with a “gun, revolver, pistol, knife, iron bar, club, brass knuckles, or other dangerous weapon.”
Moreover, felonious assault is using a dangerous weapon to put another person in fear of immediate bodily harm. (brandishing a pistol during a heated argument at a bar would generally be considered FA in Michigan.)
Thus Essentially - Felonious assault applies to a narrow range of conduct under section 750.82 (ie) FA occurs when you put another person in fear of harm by using a dangerous weapon, but there is no evidence suggesting that you actually intended to seriously harm or kill that person.
And that's why pregnant wife and husband have been charged with Felonious Assault. but TRH in his haywire logic thinks 750.82 should not apply to them.
So again. You can avoid looking consistently stupid by consulting relevant statutes, and that also goes for the sheriff and Feds mentioned above.. 😂
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
Still waiting to hear back from Mr. Life Long New Yorker.
I actually have a life and had things to do other than stare at a computer all day. FYI, when you mean to say NYC (CITY) police officers, say that. There is a whole lot of NY North and West of the City. Try beating on a State Trooper, a County Sheriff, or some upstate city/town/village cop and you take your chances. No doubt the NYC cops have been told hands off by their command and they are used to getting no support from DeBlasio. If they were to shoot one of his precious constituents, they would fired.
Upstate NYers hate it when people around the Country assume anyone from NY is a NYC resident. When someone talks about NY this or that, I'm thinking the State not the City. In the future if you are talking specifically about NY CITY make that clear by not leaving off the City part; NYC will work.
I’ll sure buy that. NYC is the Capital of the world. I should have specified that. You are right.
Good to hear back from you. We’re straight.
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
What we've learned from history is that we haven't learned from it.
The self defense dilemma these days is these freaks are unpredictable. Neither the cops or a person caught up in a confrontation cant predict what happens next. A bang with their fist on your car as you are driving away could next be a bullet through the rear window. Theres plenty of videos of peaceful protests turning into riots and plenty more of Traffic stops turning into Leo getting shot at when things seem to be going routine.
Trying to get someone to hit you with a car by placing yourself in the path of the car is trying to force the driver to commit vehicular assault. It is trying to create deadly harm. In that view, anyone who tries to get in my path with the intention of causing harm to me or them through reckless negligence should be charged with felonious assault. I am not sure how the laws are worded, but I know of at least two federal agents and a local sheriff who agreed with me.
Yep.
Nope.
Pedestrians have the right of way in parking lots. The walkers posed no physical threat to the people in the suv.
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
What we've learned from history is that we haven't learned from it.
Woman was definitely stupid to slap leather over this, but I’m thinking it was a setup all along. I hope the police - or their Defense lawyer get surveillance video from Chipotle.
I believe the video will show a couple of things - first, that the “bump” that set off the whole altercation was the 15 yr old bumping into the white woman. Then the demand for an apology - because they deserve RESPECT.
It escalates from there, you’ve all seen the video. But at the end, when the couple gets in their car to drive away, the person taking the video, and the rest of the crew, walks up to the storefront, while Mama Bear goes the other way. No one notices until she slaps the back of the vehicle, apparently because she thought it was going to hit her.
WTF was she doing there anyway when the rest of her crew had gone the other way? Obviously, to put herself in position to continue the altercation by slapping the vehicle.
It was a setup from the getgo and this woman and her husband were fool enough to fall for it.
