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that 56. monster needs some wagon wheels & a oak frame . thats a fine artillery piece

Interesting, I hit a coyote pup at 200 yards with my 44-77 Sharps and 477gr paper patch bullet, as the smoke left my right side vision I saw him reach the top of his trajectory and tumble end over end back to the ground, funny things these cool Buffalo Rifles!

When I had my business rifle built, I asked if they could do a 30" round barrel instead of the std 28" ,they said yeah they could ,I asked how that barrel contour would compare to the one they use for the #2 Creedmoor silhouette barrel ,she laughed and said it's the same barrel. I then requested it chambered with an original style and dimensions 45 2 7/8 reamer. This reamer leaves fired brass .473" at the case mouth. So you only resize full length new brass ONCE ever and just clean after use and reload just like the originals. No you can't get a loaded grease groove bullet in the chamber. All I shoot in my Shilohs are paper patch bullets. I have two molds both are by KAL Tool out of Sask. Both are 45 TGBs designs one at .440 and the other at .442" they are length and weight adj. From about 350 to 620 grains depending on alloy. I use the .440" mold set at 1.47" for around 540 grains and patched with Bienfang vellum to .4495".I've gotten my best groups at 1 to 60 alloy with $20 /lb tin that's damn cheap shooting. While my 45 2.1" guns with std chambers and 7• leades need 1 in 30 for best groups cost more to cast for with th.442 mold and 9 lb onionskin paper at 520 grs.I 've used both for gong shoots and the 45 2 7/8" is a hunting gun at heart that has shown it's mettle at 1000 yds to a mile, that's why I call it the " All Business Rifle" with a MVA XLR Buffalo Soule sight on back and a Lee Shaver replaceble aperature front it's ready for anywhere ,any distance. Only one gun and they are Shiloh 74's .MB

Alright, a little prelude, Big 50-90 Sharps just sent a 700gr grease groove "Drum Executioner" through the chrono at 1427 fps, will be interesting to see what it does compared to the 45-70 492gr bullet at 1245 fps, both bullets cast with 16 to 1 alloy, I'm leaning hard on this 50 trying to make it fail, we shall see, going to try for another video before dark.

Well damn, I need more garden hose, first test with 45-70 hit right side on the tree, I held a bit left to try and center the tree, I missed it, 50 punched straight through the drum, massive entry and exit holes, have to move drum closer to tree and have a re-shoot.

Consider this a teaser....I await delivery of the movie. In Technicolor. Starring MAYHEM!!!

LOL, damn the pressures on now ; ] if I live through picking three rows of beans in the morning starting at daybreak, i'll grab another water hose when in town, going to take tomorrows beans to Mom so she can snap and can them, i'll set the drum closer to the tree and have a re-shoot.

That 50 knocked the ever living hell out of that drum.

Give or take a few grains that bullet is the same weight as the M2 ball. Half the velocity. Of all the arms I faced in Nam the 12.7mm(.50 cal) was the worst. They hardly slowed down when wandering thru a chopper.

You bet Dan, I am, always have been, and forever will be, a believer in 'momentum'...................it's a hell of a force.

Gunner, you still alive? Survive the bean picking?

So, what do we have here? A 500 yard squirrel rifle? Billy Dixon's plinker? Those cases look big enough to burn thru a pound of black in about a dozen tries. Hmmmmmm I might need one of these.

Fill us in Mr. Mayhem!

LOL, Yes MB, I'm alive, but barely ; ]

Dan, that box was shot at 200 yards with my 15lb bull barrel 50-90, it's the same bullet I shot the drum with in my 11lb hunting weight 50-90, the big bull gun came with a case and a half of old Goex 1FG powder, I tried to find a use for it, with 120 grains of it in the case, the chrono read 1158 fps with a 2 fps extreme spread, I fired those four rounds without wiping or blow tubing, it's a hell of an accurate load, and one i'll cut loose on the 700 yard gong with next.

Old Eynsford 2FG will send the big 700gr greaser to 1427 fps in the 11 pound 50-90, it's a hell of a hammer indeed, but, this bull gun at 1158 fps with the old Goex is going to be a lot of fun smacking the gongs at 1158 fps, I love these damn rifles!

Gunner, curiosity only, how do you stuff 120 gr in a -90 case? It’s a stretch for me to put 70 in a -70 case.

Dan, I use a drop tube, can get 130 grains of Swiss 1FG in the Starline 50-90 cases, 120gr of the Goex 1FG is about max, it's a bit fluffier and lighter, 120gr Old Eynsford 2FG will easily compress under the 700 or big 750gr flat nosed grease groove bullets.

I run 73grs in my 45-70 cases in the Shiloh Sharps, drop tube makes it easy.

OK, mebbe I need a longer drop tube. I compress it too, but there be a limit to such things.

Thanks!

You're most welcome, I also pour real slow, btw, Winchester cases have the most capacity in 45-70.

I pour slow as well, but had not compared case capacities. Kind of ironic circumstances, but when I prepped for delivery of the -70 I purchased WW brass, couple hundred cases. Before the gun was delivered a couple of local jokers passed along....are you ready....a pile of -70 brass, most of it used, and mostly of brands other than WW. I’ve been trying to wear out the old stuff w/ little success. I did pass along some of it to another fella with needs. I only have about 400 pieces left.

Off on another tangent, I try to keep compression to about .030” or less, but have gone as far as .080”. Where is your stop sign on that?

Gunner, I picked up an original 74 Business rifle the other day in 45 2.1"" with a really good barrel. after I got home with it and done staring at it I put up a target at the 50 yd butt. 1 flyer I called and 4 in less than 2" with ammo loaded for my Shilohs. I'll work some 420 grain ppb's and 75 hrs fg for it and see what it will do. You know it was almost a religious experience making smoke and drilling holes with a 144 year old buffalo gun, I celebrated with 2 good beers. MB

Dan, You best get to using that good WW 45-70 brass, 400 sticks of that would last both of us if we lived to be 200 at black powder pressure levels ; ] I was reading this awhile ago, but on the phone and couldn't type, that conversation led me to my load shop, while there I had a look in my Sharps Rifle load book, in my 50-90 with the big 750gr greaser that ran through 8 or 9 feet of Eland bull in Africa, I compress 120gr Old Eynsford 2FG a full .875 thou [with] a 30 thou Walters card wad on top, that load is one of the most accurate I have.

The only thing I've ever found in compressing the hell out of black powder is a 'good' pressured up, MUCH more clean burning load, have had no accuracy issues when compressing powder more than others on the web have stated, I mash on it when need be.

DAMN! congrats on all that Magnum Bob, I was gifted an original factory 1869 Sharps conversion buffalo rifle last year in 45-110, it's a Bridgeport conversion with 30 inch heavy barrel and buckhorn barrel sights, it has some kind of silver coin of the day for a front sight, sharpsguy here on the campfire gave me a 45 cal. Mos mould that's a direct copy of some of the original paper patch bullets the Buffalo hunters used, I cast it soft at 35 to 1 alloy, sharpsguy also told me the original load for the 45-110 from the Sharps Rifle factory was 100 gr of 1FG, well, what do you know, we loaded the rifle that way and it hit dead on out to 200 yards.

He also turned me a brand new firing pin out on his lathe, gave me near 100 sticks of new Norma 45-110 brass, 10lbs of Goex Express 1FG powder and installed a set screw between the triggers he has had in his box for near 40 years, he also set and tuned the triggers, I think he really likes that old Buffalo Rifle!

I took the rifle on a last day buck hunt over in Arkansas on a foggy drizzling morning, kept the rifle and paper patch ammo under my wool coat as I sat in a quickly throw together ground blind, at a hard 9 o'clock a very wide 6pt buck appeared at about 25 yards, I shot him dead in the chest, he dropped and never moved, the 514gr round nosed paper patch bullet exited right beside his nut sack, what a hell of a hunt I had with that old rifle, I was even able to flip the switch on my go-pro as I saw the buck making his way towards me, i have every bit of it on film! ; ]

You've got to get your Buffalo Rifle out this fall and make some meat.