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Originally Posted by mikestaten
Thanks all. I’ve got the 120 BTs, Varget, Big Game and H4895 so will work up some loads. Would be nice to get in the 2700fps range.



Here's some firsthand load data with 120's and H4895. 2,700 should be doable with somewhere around 40gr of H4895.

Youth 7-08


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Thanks all. I’ve got the 120 BTs, Varget, Big Game and H4895 so will work up some loads. Would be nice to get in the 2700fps range.



Here's some firsthand load data with 120's and H4895. 2,700 should be doable with somewhere around 40gr of H4895.

Youth 7-08




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I wouldn't shoot for 2,700 fps. For my wifes 7-08 with 120's, she found the recoil above 2,500 fps uncomfortable. We went for a load at 2450 and there hasn't been a deer the 120 Sierra didn't perform well on. The lighter load she also enjoys shooting - and she hasn't picked up any kind of flinch. I feel it's a game of shot placement and bullet selection - I just tend to think the shot placement part is easier if you're not getting pummeled.

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Factory Managed recoil loads from Remington uses a 140 grain Corelokt and 30 to 33 grain ( IIRC) of 4198....

Myself for in the field, I'd go with the standard 30 grains of 4198, and a Nosler 120 or 140 Ballistic Tip...
or the Speer 130 SP, or the Hornady 139 gr SP...

accurate in my Howa 7/08 and has taken a fair number of black tail with my Featherweight, in 7 x 57....


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My boys and nephews used reduced loads out of a 270 and 22-250 to harvest deer/antelope.

Loads:
85gr TSX at 1900fps
140gr Hornady BTSP at 2200 fps.
110gr NAB at 2600fps

I never chrono'd the 22-250 loads but guestimated a 53gr TSX at 3000fps when a full power load was pushing 3800fps.


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Originally Posted by Seafire
Factory Managed recoil loads from Remington uses a 140 grain Corelokt and 30 to 33 grain ( IIRC) of 4198....

Myself for in the field, I'd go with the standard 30 grains of 4198, and a Nosler 120 or 140 Ballistic Tip...
or the Speer 130 SP, or the Hornady 139 gr SP...

accurate in my Howa 7/08 and has taken a fair number of black tail with my Featherweight, in 7 x 57....


Seafire is right on the 4198 notion. The 30-31gr of 4198 is a good way to roll if you want to come in another notch below the 120gr/2,700fps threshold. We shot 120's around 2,550 with 31gr and a 20" barrel. Very gentle load on the shoulder and the ears.


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Factory Managed recoil loads from Remington uses a 140 grain Corelokt and 30 to 33 grain ( IIRC) of 4198....

Myself for in the field, I'd go with the standard 30 grains of 4198, and a Nosler 120 or 140 Ballistic Tip...
or the Speer 130 SP, or the Hornady 139 gr SP...

accurate in my Howa 7/08 and has taken a fair number of black tail with my Featherweight, in 7 x 57....


Seafire is right on the 4198 notion. The 30-31gr of 4198 is a good way to roll if you want to come in another notch below the 120gr/2,700fps threshold. We shot 120's around 2,550 with 31gr and a 20" barrel. Very gentle load on the shoulder and the ears.



load pretty much equals a 6.5 Grendal with a 123 grain Bullet.. at least what my 6.5 Grendal Ruger Predator I picked up not long ago...


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My teenage niece just got her hunting license so I will be taking her out this fall for whitetails.

She’s really tall (5’9”) for her age but very skinny so while so while I think she’ll be fine with an adult sized rifle I’m a little concerned about recoil. I have a 243 and 7mm-08 that she can use. Trying to decide whether I should have her use full power 243 loads or reduced 7mm-08 loads. The 243 is a Sako Varmint so won’t kick much at all but it’s a fairly heavy setup. The 7-08 is a Tikka T3X. For the 243 I’d probably use a Sierra 85 BTHP as the gun is sighted in for that, for the 7mm I’d use a 120 ballistic tip or 130 Speer. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Mike


The 243 will dispatch any deer as well as the 7-08 will. Deer don't take a whole lot of killing. It being lighter recoiling on top of that answers your question. It doesn't matter that the 243 is sighted in with the BTHP. Switch to a Partition. The 85 grain works great if you want to keep the same weight.

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45 gr of H4831 with any 120 in the 7-08. Around 2400-2500 fps and recoil non existent. Just another route to go.

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I can see downloading an 06 for a kid or woman but not a 7-08. Even full power 7-08 loads are mild. However, either one, .243 or 7-08 will do nicely. Both are deer killers.

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We started our kids on both the .243 and 7mm-08 using reduced recoil loads. I contacted Seafire for suggestions and based on conversations with him used SR4759 with 90 gr. Accubond bullets in the .243. and 120 gr. bullets in the 7mm-08. Have used both the Hornady 120 gr SP and Nosler 120 gr. BT's with good results. Light enough recoil to be able to get in good practice sessions at the range, but still plenty effective on deer. Limited shots to 125 yards or less and had successful results.

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Originally Posted by Filaman
I can see downloading an 06 for a kid or woman but not a 7-08. Even full power 7-08 loads are mild. However, either one, .243 or 7-08 will do nicely. Both are deer killers.



I have helped many people get started shooting centerfire rifles. I think it always a good idea to start with reduced recoil and good hearing protection. There are many ways to accomplish both. The lower power loads we have used worked perfectly.

Both of my boys are now shooting full power loads and have been for quite awhile My oldest, and physically largest son (6'1" and 240#) still does not like heavy recoil, while my youngest and smallest (5'10" and 150#) can even shoot big bores well.


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Originally Posted by Filaman
I can see downloading an 06 for a kid or woman but not a 7-08. Even full power 7-08 loads are mild. However, either one, .243 or 7-08 will do nicely. Both are deer killers.


Mild is relative. My boy at nine years old preferred a downloaded 7mm-08. I loaded a bunch of different Varget charges under a 120 BT and let him pick the charge he could handle. It was the next to lowest charge. Since he got to pick he had a sense of ownership.



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It is indeed relative. My 15 year old enjoys the 120/2,800fps load, even for steel, while my 11 year old thinks it's a bit stout for her and prefers less recoil at this stage. She's not as much of a shooter as my older daughter.

The kids after each taking a shot at the 220yd pig gong with the 2800fps load.

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I think I’d prefer a full-load 243 over a light load 7mm-08, but YMMV

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Originally Posted by Pharmseller


Mild is relative. My boy at nine years old preferred a downloaded 7mm-08. I loaded a bunch of different Varget charges under a 120 BT and let him pick the charge he could handle. It was the next to lowest charge. Since he got to pick he had a sense of ownership. P


Can you share what the two lowest Varget charges you tried were?

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I'd be perfectly happy with either of them if I already owned the rifle. If I were in the market for a new one it would be 6.5 CM. Recoil is closer to 243, performance is closer to 7-08. Ammo is cheaper and more readily available too.


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120 Ballistic tips at about 2600 using IMR 4064 - used this for my youngest son and now my 85 year old dad uses them. 3 shots - 3 deer so far.


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Mild is relative. My boy at nine years old preferred a downloaded 7mm-08. I loaded a bunch of different Varget charges under a 120 BT and let him pick the charge he could handle. It was the next to lowest charge. Since he got to pick he had a sense of ownership. P


Can you share what the two lowest Varget charges you tried were?


41 and 41.5 grains.



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