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Something very similar, back in the early '90's - almost the exact scenario.
Chrysler Corp, and NMDOT paid big bucks for kid's stupidity.

My personal opinion - when you leave the black stuff between the trees - you're on your own.
Age, drunkeness, and excessive speed just aggravate things.

I believe we all have had to sign the release waiver at birth for our actions. There are inherent risks when one gets out of bed in the morning. Unfortunately, stupidity is oft times rewarded with tragedy. I do not believe any of us have escaped that reality! Sad deal for families to endure this, but all the years I did SAR and water rescue, every single time someone was looking to place blame elsewhere!

Same conversation thousands of parents and people - mostly white, need to have to find “someone or something” to assign blame for their tragedy.

Parents or spouse of any shooting...Guns is the problem, not the individual who performed the action.

Son, daughter, spouse, family member, overdoses on drugs. Prescription Opioids caused them to seek out illegal street drugs that eventually killed them.

Daughter was drunk assed and accidentally kills herself and friends...It’s the roads fault.

Maybe people should look internally first and be more objective...My kid made a mistake that took lives. Maybe we as parents didn’t do enough to educate her to the dangers of drinking and driving...Maybe we did...Life is dangerous, for everyone.

Maybe we didn’t raise our kid with strong enough mental fortitude that when the prescription for pain meds ran out, you don’t hit the street looking for a bigger, better high. Deal with the small dependency, if there was any from a prescription for 20 pills. Millions of others have done it without issue.

A lot of people refuse to take responsibility for anything...And their kids are living proof of it participating in protests, riots, looting, and violence.

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This past Sunday afternoon I drove across Plattview Road from NE Highway 31 in the west to NE Highway 50 in the east and back again. When I was on my way back to the west, a couple of what appeared to be generic teenage boys passed me just east of the accident site at what I would estimate to be between 65 and 75 MPH, IOW significantly faster than I was traveling at around 58 MPH, I watched as they passed through that stretch of road without any issues and without slowing down, assuming that their brake light worked.

I find it interesting that the survivor has been photo-shopped out of the pictures that the parents of the dead girls are posting and have had laminated for display at the crash site memorial that has been erected.

I think that the parents want to fix blame onto anyone other than their exceptional daughters and they want to profit from it if they can.

Not just white people. How often do you hear the mother, never the father, of a dead black kid say that her son was a good boy who was getting his life together or that he only sold a little weed to provide for his family, he might be 24 with 6 kids by 4 different women, or that his criminal record was due of the bad crowd that he hung with, not because he was guilty of any "real" criminal activities.

Isn't it bad enough when kids die?

No need to kill the truth after.

Excellent point...I just had this conversation with my wife this morning...My question was “Why do blacks always say their dead son, brother, uncle, dad was the best dude ever, when they have a criminal record longer than my leg”?

Wifey’s take on it was they have grown up where incarceration is a product of their lives. They don’t see it as something to be ashamed of. If anything, it’s one less kid to worry about on the street, or mouth to feed.

Sounded plausible....😎

In the fall of my 14th birthday, I paid $25 for a Rambler American 440 that didn't run. My dad's idea was that I'd work on it, and work on it, slowly bringing it into running condition. Maybe when I was 15 1/2 or so.

It got flat towed to our place on a Saturday. Sunday afternoon, it was running - a bad condenser killed the points. Replaced both and bingo! Anyway, hijinks on Friday nights when the folks would go out dancing ensued. But always solo, always sober, always drove conservatively.

Since the statute of limitations has expired, you might want to ask your son how easy is it to swap plugs in an Explorer...

We all make mistakes, some more than others, and we mostly survive them.

I remember vividly the last time that I drove while impaired. In the summer of 1986 I was headed home from a party and nodded off at the wheel. My angel woke me in time to avoid hitting a bridge abutment on I-93 north of Boston. Talk about an adrenaline rush! I was scared straight and had well over 100K miles behind the wheel that night. I was 31 at the time. I didn't drive impaired very often before that night and not at all since. I figure that I used up my second mulligan that night and that tempting fate might not be prudent.

My Wife's Cousin bullseyed a huge dead cottonwood tree near Bradshaw, NE, in 1987. He fell asleep at the wheel, no alcohol or drugs in his system, and hit the only tree close to the road for at least a mile in either direction as dead center as it could possible be hit. He died at the scene of the accident and it took a lot out of his parents. His angel must have been on break, while mine was on duty and paying attention.

The state or county will settle out of court, not admitting fault. It will be money paid to go away.

Exactly !

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The worst parents are the ones most likely to sue.[/quote]


Ironic but the worst parents have the best kids.

At rollerskating, my 9 year old daughter was helping scrape gum off
the floor. A mother ask what they were doing, I told her.

"Ewww! That's gross, she shouldnt have to clean that up, why would somebody do that".

"Well, when she saw them working on it, she volunteered. Someone has
to clean it up. And I'm sure some of the gum was accidental, most was
just spit out."

Mom, "Well, that's nasty, my girls aren't cleaning it up! They would never
do something like that! Thank God I have good kids!

Not really!


I have seen this play out so much, I have a line I love.

"Most people that "Have Good Kids",
don't!"


Good Kids come from parents who know their kids will screw up.
Look for it.
And address it in a manner that is remembered.

Many are so narcissistic that they just know, because it's their kid,
that they are perfect. Just like Mom!

In Northern California there is a place called Ruth Lake. There is a memorial there on the shore from a similar type of accident but they crashed into the lake. It’s very sad to see so many young people die.

After reading this entire thread, this is the only response worth quoting.

I hope those folks can make peace with that night.

Ironic but the worst parents have the best kids.

At rollerskating, my 9 year old daughter was helping scrape gum off
the floor. A mother ask what they were doing, I told her.

"Ewww! That's gross, she shouldnt have to clean that up, why would somebody do that".

"Well, when she saw them working on it, she volunteered. Someone has
to clean it up. And I'm sure some of the gum was accidental, most was
just spit out."

Mom, "Well, that's nasty, my girls aren't cleaning it up! They would never
do something like that! Thank God I have good kids!

Not really!


I have seen this play out so much, I have a line I love.

"Most people that "Have Good Kids",
don't!"


Good Kids come from parents who know their kids will screw up.
Look for it.
And address it in a manner that is remembered.

Many are so narcissistic that they just know, because it's their kid,
that they are perfect. Just like Mom!

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I disagree that the worst parents have the best kids.

The worst parents that I've encountered have been abusive and/or substance abusers and many of their kids were as bad, or worse, than their parents. But good, better, best, bad, worse, worst are adjectives that are selected by someone passing judgement. I'm generally indifferent toward other people and their children as their very existence is of no consequence to me.

Yes. I have been teaching Drivers Ed (Classroom/Behind the wheel) for a long time. I teach 8-12 students behind the wheel a month. Ten % of them seem to drive as well as experienced drivers. 40% are decent and require some minor coaching in "turning" the car"/when to start breaking. 30% make for a very uncomfortable day and the the bottom 20% are terrible. 6 hours behind the wheel. Over the years I have only had one I could not train. Whenever there is more than one teenager in a car with a 15yr- 19yr old driver mistakes being made by the driver is 3 times more likely than all other age groups combined. I call them mistakes....not accidents. An accident happens when a tree limb falls on your car while you are in your house. Sad story. Driver at fault. Parents should follow their kids more closely. It is a lie that the parents should afford them the level of privacy that allows them to make this type of mistake.

90 + BAC = Nada.

No, I meant that there the girl met the legal standard for intoxication.

Makes sense - sorry to have misinterpreted.

Good post - your differentiation between "accidents" and "mistakes" is a very good one and applies to many incidents beyond driving.