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Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: jaguartx] #15029888 07/07/20
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Originally Posted by jaguartx
That's the guy whose hospital has lost a several patients.

Midland Co has had 927 cases and 17 deaths. Odessa, 2 hospitals have had 1392 cases and 11 deaths.

I'd say that's medically significant. The death count would be even lower for Odessa if BOTH hospitals would have treated early and initially with Hydroxychloroquine. Only one hospital here did.


He speaks from experience in treating the very serious cases of Covid-19. With that said, I see no issues with putting Dr. Bartlett's hypothesis to the scrutiny of scientific testing. If he is right it's a game changer, if he's wrong then we need to keep looking.


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Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: jaguartx] #15029899 07/07/20
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Dr Wilson was also of the opinion patients with Covid should stay home several days or weeks until they became short of breath.


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DONT BE GETTING ANY CORONA ON YA

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Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: SAcharlie] #15029903 07/07/20
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Originally Posted by SAcharlie

Damn straight.
MSM should call it a HOAX like trump.
MSM should say its 99.9% harmless like trump.


Why bother, they can’t salvage their credibility with the American people by saying Trump is right as usual.

Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: jaguartx] #15029913 07/07/20
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Jag,
In a week or two, pharmacies will complain about a shortage of Budesonide. I can help Charlie with the message from MSM too...unproven, debunked, untested, anecdotal, racist right wing conspiracy. Lol

Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: MTDan] #15029923 07/07/20
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Originally Posted by MTDan
Let's try using Akums razer

You’re a physician?

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Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: MTDan] #15029928 07/07/20
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Originally Posted by MTDan
Sigh.... I wish I was a Soros plant. I hear he pays well. Instead I'm just a physician who has gotten tired of all this conspiracy theory garbage and pseudo-medical misinformation.

At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.



I believe it is Occam's razor and cabal.....but I did not have higher education!

Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: jaguartx] #15029938 07/07/20
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I do agree with you, Squidge.


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Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: jaguartx] #15029967 07/07/20
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More testing is needed for sure.

There is this.

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A single in vitro study that investigated the antiviral potential of budesonide observed no reduction in viral replication in cells treated with budesonide and no reduction in inflammatory cytokine release.


6. Yamaya M, Nishimura H, Deng X, et al. Inhibitory effects of glycopyrronium, formoterol, and budesonide on coronavirus HCoV-229E replication and cytokine production by primary cultures of human nasal and tracheal epithelial cells. Respir Investig. 2020;58(3):155-168. doi:10.1016/j.resinv.2019.12.005

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Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: jaguartx] #15030102 07/07/20
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Up-The FDA has no approved treatment for C 19 disease.

Dr Bartlett successfully treated many patients with Hydroxychloroquine who were deathly ill when he started seeing and treating him.

The elderly lady he here discusses had been C19 I'll iirc, for 2 weeks and in bed 5 or 6 days when he started to. She was undergoing TX for 2 types of cancer and hbp.

Scientific fact is proven if the results are predictable, observable and reproducible.

He thinks this TX will prevent serious illness and let the country get back to work.






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Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: jaguartx] #15030442 07/07/20
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Texas ICU beds 90% full. Only 15% of those patients have Covid.

Sickermore, you try to ridicule Trump re him recommending Hydroxychloroquine. Your chickenschiett buds retort is that Trump isnt a Doctor. Well he isnt a specialist on international terrorists, either.

Are you saying he cant get recommendations from those who are? Are you saying Zero was a genius who didnt? I guess he was. He rarely had meetings with his military guys. I wonder why. Maybe he didnt want to hear what they had to say. Did he take their advice on rules of engagement? You were never concerned those onerous rules were causing increased US casualties.

So, I think your threads on the great servicemen and their battles were nothing more than brown nosing subterfuge designed to mislead Campfire Patriots into thinking you were patriotic rather than a commie pos. You know, a head fake so to speak, designed to pull the wool over our eyes so you could gig Trump from behind from your disguise.

So, Trump screwed up on his rec of Hydroxychloroquine, right. But, I havent heard you denigrate any of your DNC NE dimmocommie Govs of their being murderers of old people.

Oh, you didnt notice, I guess, while sucking up BS killer talking points from CNN that your commie bud Cuomo committed a form of murder by sending 6 thousand 3 hundred old people ill with covid disease back into nursing homes, illegally I might add, while the nursing home directors were screaming at him that they didnt have Drs, nurses, equipment or facilities to care for or treat them. IOW, he sentenced them to death.

I know you are too stupid to realize that was illegal, because your Commie News Network has not let you in on the fact that Federal Law only allows sick nursing home residents to be returned to the NH if the NH has adequate treatment and facilities to care for them. FAIL. They didnt, and they told Cuomo they didnt. How stupid do you think he is? Youre probably smart enough to understand what that means. What kind of Dr is your bud Cuomo?

He knew they couldnt be effectively treated. He knew they would die. He sent them there to die.
And you know what? You're a POS who doesnt give a schiett. That makes you a lying POS hypocrite.

GFY

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DONT BE GETTING ANY CORONA ON YA

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: Partagas] #15030807 07/07/20
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I get it. I agree that the MSM has shouting that the world is ending, and good news is a welcome relief. I just think that by endorsing it, he needlessly attached his credibility to an unproven drug. And having hope taken away if the treatment doesn't work after all, is more damaging.

I hope this Detroit study pans out. I hope it hydroxychloroquine works.

The ad hominem attacks are totally uncalled for. There's room to disagree about parts of this issue without being a Soros plant.

Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: jaguartx] #15031018 07/08/20
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Squidge,

I found the same article. There was one mention of testing budesonide. Testing was in vitro with nasal and trachael cells. The doctor testing it had mixed results. Doctor's conclusion was that treatment with budesonide alone did not decrease the viral titres or RNA levels. To my knowledge no one besides Dr. Bartlett has done human testing rather than in vitro cells.

The article which will be linked below was not peer reviewed. It did mention that Inhaled ciclesonide works on covid 19.

"Matsuyama et al also screened drugs from a chemical library and ciclesonide, fluticasone, and mometasone furoate (all inhaled corticosteroids) were included in the list of drugs screened.4 In this instance, the cytopathic effect caused by MERS-CoV infection was measured to evaluate viral replication when cells were treated with these four steroid compounds. Ciclesonide conferred a >95% cell survival rate, exhibited low cytotoxicity and resulted in potent suppression of viral replication. They authors investigated the antiviral effects of steroids against other respiratory viruses including HCoV-229E (one of the causes of the common cold) and SARS-CoV. Ciclesonide and mometasone suppressed replication of these viruses. The authors sought to investigate the viral drug target, by conducting 11 consecutive MERS-CoV passages in the presence of 40 μM ciclesonide or 40 μM mometasone. A mutant virus that developed resistance to ciclesonide was generated. Next-generation sequencing identified an amino acid substitution in non-structural protein (NSP-15), an endoribonuclease, in the mutant virus. A recombinant virus containing this amino acid substitution overcame the antiviral effect of ciclesonide. The authors concluded that NSP15 is the molecular target of ciclesonide. The authors also observed that the mutant virus was still inhibited by mometasone, suggesting that the antiviral target of mometasone is different to that of ciclesonide."

I gather from this article that some corticosteroids could help.

article: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/inhal...for-treatment-or-prevention-of-covid-19/

Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: Partagas] #15031246 07/08/20
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Originally Posted by Partagas
Thanks for sharing. I listened to it while I worked. It sounds very promising. It is telling how the media downplays or catastrophizes any positive news or treatment on covid. They want the negative news and impact to keep going.





Nailed it.

No news can be good news. Not while the Orange Man is still in the Oval Office.

If it isn't obvious to liberals RIGHT NOW that their leadership is completely ok with the total destruction of America, then they should just step off the ledge. They're completely gone, I've got nothing else for them, and at this point they are just absorbing resources better utilized elsewhere.


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Originally Posted by troublesome82
Originally Posted by MTDan
Sigh.... I wish I was a Soros plant. I hear he pays well. Instead I'm just a physician who has gotten tired of all this conspiracy theory garbage and pseudo-medical misinformation.

At this point, you're implying that all science is a conspiracy against trump. Let's try using Akums razer, which is more likely: 1. A global kabal has such a stranglehold on mainstream science that virtually every researcher and physician is in on their diabolical plan... or 2. The research doesn't support what the president says, a few docs want to make a quick buck, snd the president can't keep his foot our of his mouth.



I believe it is Occam's razor and cabal.....but I did not have higher education!











So you did not receive your Red Star or hammer and sickle badge..

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Re: The Silver Bullet for COVID-19. On America Can We Talk [Re: Azshooter] #15031564 07/08/20
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Yep, it was just one small test which is still open to scientific scrutiny, methodology and application to the real world is open to criticism. The same holds true with Dr. Bartlett.


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Originally Posted by MTDan
This is not how medical research works. One guy who claims amazing results should be met with skepticism until the data can interpreted, analyzed and REPEATED. These docs selling their magic treatments are snake oil salesmen.

The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.



Yet morons like you would wait until people die before trying anything with more than anecdotal evidence. In fact you are so stupid that you don't know that Hydroxychloroquine has stood up to scrutiny and is useful in keeping Covid from getting worse if taken soon after you get it. But we know leftards like yourself could care less about peoples health, if they live or die you just want dictatorial socialism and globalism to ruin the country. GFY.

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Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by MTDan
This is not how medical research works. One guy who claims amazing results should be met with skepticism until the data can interpreted, analyzed and REPEATED. These docs selling their magic treatments are snake oil salesmen.

The president has no medical background and has no place touting wonder-drugs that havent been fully studied.
It's downright idiotic of him to do so. Hydroxychloroquine didn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't stop covid, and now he's lost a degree of credibility in the public eye that he never had to wager at all.



Yet morons like you would wait until people die before trying anything with more than anecdotal evidence. In fact you are so stupid that you don't know that Hydroxychloroquine has stood up to scrutiny and is useful in keeping Covid from getting worse if taken soon after you get it. But we know leftards like yourself could care less about peoples health, if they live or die you just want dictatorial socialism and globalism to ruin the country. GFY.


Well, there is that.


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Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by Partagas
Thanks for sharing. I listened to it while I worked. It sounds very promising. It is telling how the media downplays or catastrophizes any positive news or treatment on covid. They want the negative news and impact to keep going.





Nailed it.

No news can be good news. Not while the Orange Man is still in the Oval Office.

If it isn't obvious to liberals RIGHT NOW that their leadership is completely ok with the total destruction of America, then they should just step off the ledge. They're completely gone, I've got nothing else for them, and at this point they are just absorbing resources better utilized elsewhere.


Freaks live a life of pessimism, misery, bad news, nothing is right, everything is wrong, the sky is falling, we are destroying the planet, we are going to die, we arent dying fast enough, too many are dying too soon, send them to nursing homes so they die faster, it may kill you to take Plaquenil, wait until you cant breathe to see a dr, damnit - he couldn't breathe,....

The freaks live a miserable existence, and they want company. And if you arent miserable, they know how to fix that too. Yep, like everything else they fughked up.

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DONT BE GETTING ANY CORONA ON YA

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Shut her down, C 19 is going to kill nearly everybody.

You cant take Hydroxychloroquine, it could possibly kill some old person with heart problems, lets stick them in nursing homes. Freaking unreal.


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DONT BE GETTING ANY CORONA ON YA

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