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I can see that. I know the .40-70 was a penetrating SOB when i shot it


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Originally Posted by pacecars
Hell, launch one of them 700 grain .50s through it!


grin, I know damn well my 50 with 750ggr grease groove bullet would penetrate that drum, would most likely wreck it to the point of not being able to patch and use it again, we'd have to get approval from Dan before we trash up his 45-70 thread talking about the 50-90 Basher ; ]

At 25 yards the 577 Nitro with 750gr Barnes TXS at 2075 fps pulled the threads on the filler lid, it came dancing back to me on my right, blew the main clamped on lid, spilt the drum at the seam and put a big dog knot in the bottom of the drum, the hygraulic/displacement? or whatever it was has to be seen to be believed.


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Dan the still pics.director .the play by play commentator for the drum killer . well done director and the killer grin

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Gunner, you tweaked my curiosity. My Hindenburg bullet is 1.328” long, a round nose. I’ve been casting them with 30:1 and using a duplex load with 4759 and Swiss 1.5. Guessing they are running about the same velocity as yours. Last time I shot it put 5 into about 1.5” at 100, elbow rest and tang sight. Might try some of that 16:1 just for giggles. Maybe even mount the scope?

Funny how slow lead penetrates so well. Pigs hate it.


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Nice, and hell yes, I love 16 to 1, a very useful alloy, soft enough to bump up for paper patching with the added benefit of no nose slump, and plenty tough enough for hunting, I've read they even used 12 to 1 alloy back in the day for target shooting and hunting, 1.5" off elbows at 100 is some damn good shooting, you may cut that in half with a scope, I'd let er rip for fun, hell, we have a long time before 'venison' season is upon us.

BTW, my Wife LHBO at "Mayhem" grin You've inadvertently given that old '86 Lever Rifle a name, it will be forever known as "Mayhem" for the remainder of my days with it, Thanks ; ]


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Laffin’ here, glad I could help! Mrs. Dan is laffin’ too.


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Almost forgot, if I may attempt connecting the dots, five-fer-one? if so, I believe you can get that with 16 or 30 to 1 ; ] I don't think pot, and soy built is very hardy.


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A stray thought occurs...head high aim....a perfect vacuum won’t slow it down at all. The possibilities are astounding!


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Gunner, couple of oddball parallels that perhaps illustrate the benefit of tin in the mix. About 20 years back I was on a quest to make a 77/44 shoot well, and along the way picked up a copy of Paul Matthew's "The Paper Jacket". Well, you know where that led.

The bullets are 300 grains, pure lead.
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8 shots, 100 yards with a red dot sight. THEN I adjusted for zero. The ammo had been loaded in 2002.
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Splat Factor: 10
Retained weight ~294 grains
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I've shot pigs and deer with it, they don't take a first step after the pull of the trigger. None of the shots have exited so it's not a five-fer load, but it damn sure ends the parade. I have a couple hundred loaded, just in case.

The go to bullets for Thumper along with some Sneezer fodder:
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My .45-70 load with neighbors, second from the right. The .44 is 3d from the right. Big one on the right is my truck gun load.
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LOL, with ears, nose and pie hole providing plenty of vent during the barge through, yes, they'd go for days ; ] was just talking yesterday to sharpsguy about soft alloy for light big game animals, I can see you're already there and then some, with the added benefit of re-melting/re-casting said larder fillers.

Yes, the big Lyman Gov bullet is a hammer for all, bar none, right alloy I have no doubt it's penetrate ele skull, the little 'sneezers' will deliver a message as far as you can see to send it.

Quite an array of wares, very nice, especially truck gun slug, this plainly tells us your gun truck has at least three axles ; ]


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Okay Dan, I have a couple questions, this is of course your thread, the 45-70, and pictured was a Lyman gov grease groove bullet, I have some of the big bullets loaded for my Shiloh Sharps 45-70, also have a brand new Steve Brooks mould with my idea of a 50 cal government bullet, they look identical to the 45's except they weigh 702.5 grains.

Question is, when Wife is ready to make us a video shooting the drum, would you rather see 45-70 or 50-90?


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I could roll either way with that. I heard that Saturday was "Be kind to your shoulder day"? Don't know that's true or not.

I have an acquaintance who owns an old slug gun that weighs about 40#. .56 caliber and he does his plinking with a 900 grain bullet. When he gets serious it uses a 1,300 grain 2 piece swagged bullet. I've watched him shoot with the 900 grain load w/250 grains of powder....ouch. My heaviest is a .50 that weighs 600 grains. I'm a puzzy.

Far right is the 900 grain monster. Next to it is a 800 gr .50 cal another friend shoots.
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The .56 monster...in the back. You would not believe how well that thing shoots.
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LOL, one shot wont be too bad on a kind to the shoulder day, 10-4, perfect, since we all know the 458 cal government grease groove bullets shoot great and never fail to penetrate in a straight line, I best give my 50 cal version with new mould a shot at the barrel, I've already put the 458 cal through the drum, did it first loaded in a 45 3-1/4 at 1488 fps, believe it or not, that bullet sucked the sides of the drum in on exit, craziest thing I've ever seen.

I casted some of the 700gr 50 cals yesterday with 16 to 1 alloy, i'll use my 11 pound hunting weight 50-90 rifle for the test, it wears a 30 inch 22 twist #1 heavy barrel, same rifle I took to Africa and shot Eland and Sable bulls with.

Lord have mercy with that 56 cal monster, 1200 grains let loose even from a 40 lb rifle would still have to impart a great deal of torque, cant imagine the twist on that beast, I loaded and shot some 780gr 50 cal bullets in a 15 pound 50-90 Sharps, not fun, but accurate as hell, bet that 40 pounder would sit there and punch the same hole as long as you wanted to sit behind it.

Same thing I'm hoping for my 15 pound 50-90 and a case and a half of 'slow' Goex 1FG powder, I put 120gr under this new bullet yesterday and fired three over the chrono, 1158 fps av with [2 fps E.S!!!!!] smile........it should be a hell of an accurate, lower recoil gong shooting load.



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You guys are nucking futs! But keep it coming.


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Crow, are you.....disturbed?

Welcome to the show. BOOM!


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I would love to try that svelte little 40 pound rook rifle on crows, so I guess I am.


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Funny thing. When you hit a crow with a 45-110 and a 535 grain paper patched bullet, it doesn't blow them up. It punches a hole through them, and maybe knocks out a couple of feathers. Same thing with a 40-70 Sharps Straight or a 40-65. Kills them graveyard dead if you hit them at the butt of the wings, but hit them a little far back, and they will get up and fly off--and then fall out of the air.

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Shot a big Fox Squirrel with the .45-70 with the Gov’t Bullet at a little under 150 yards. He was facing me head on and the bullet hit him under the eyes and went straight down his belly. That was the second animal I shot that was actually gutted by a bullet. It was a clean hole in his head and the bullet just traversed the body perfectly.

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