does the fact that The United States of America and the Confederated States of America fought a war tell you anything? it was like a man forcing his wife at gun point to stay in a marriage when she had all the rights in the world to leave.
the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded. Robert E Lee ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
Not knowledgeable enough to comment on the legality of secession.
Kind of think that little deal at Ft Sumpter might make the grade though.
Leaving a spouse is one thing, shooting them...
Using that analogy ft sumpter was a little like a crazy ex locking herself in your house and then saying its your fault when you try to eject her from the premises
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So was it Constitutional to secede or not? My understanding has always been that it was legal to secede and if so they cannot be called treasonous.
No. Secession was not lawful. Revolution is. The South deliberately did not call their withdrawal a "revolution" because they know it could not be justified as such.
So was it Constitutional to secede or not? My understanding has always been that it was legal to secede and if so they cannot be called treasonous.
No. Secession was not lawful. Revolution is. The South deliberately did not call their withdrawal a "revolution" because they know it could not be justified as such.
What part of california did you live in before you moved to Idaho... if you are actually living in Idaho...
if you are, you are a transplant from somewhere.. you're too stupid to be from Idaho...
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
The last time soldiers actually died defending the Constitution, they were wearing gray uniforms and marching under the Stars and Bars! The spirit, if not the letter of that document got shredded after the 1860's.
I'd point out the idiocy of saying "Succession is unlawful." If it is, then we have to go back under the English Crown to repair the breach of law made in 1776.
It's stupid to think it's unlawful.
Nearly every nation of earth was formed by either breaking from another, or being concurred by another. There are exceptions you you have to look closely to find them.
All that was needed to not fight the civil war was for the north to not attack. Fort Sumter was Lincoln forcing a war that he wanted.All the occupying forces (trespassers) had to do was leave South Carolina.The South did not invade the North.The North was occupying the South.Lincoln did it to start the war.
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Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
He who has braved youths dizzy heat dreads not the frost of age.
The last time soldiers actually died defending the Constitution, they were wearing gray uniforms and marching under the Stars and Bars! The spirit, if not the letter of that document got shredded after the 1860's.
